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07-07-2023, 09:30 AM | #571 |
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Kuuga is BETTER with subbed Gurongi speech. As entertaining as it is that the show had long scenes of characters babbling at each other in a fictional language, I think the show's mysteries work better if you have a little extra context from knowing what the villains are on about.
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Kuuga is BETTER with subbed Gurongi speech. As entertaining as it is that the show had long scenes of characters babbling at each other in a fictional language, I think the show's mysteries work better if you have a little extra context from knowing what the villains are on about.
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07-07-2023, 11:02 AM | #573 |
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Agreed.
I actually found it infuriating to watch. It was artsy fartsy nothingness for roughly 2 minutes each episode. Have you seen it once, have you seen them all. Knowing what they are saying actually gives you something to read while the blabber on.
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07-07-2023, 04:57 PM | #574 |
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Gonna be a broad one here, but:
Kamen Rider fans nowadays keep falling into the same loop of "Overhype a new rider series -> Wax poetic about it at the start -> Completely 180 on it the moment the story does one thing they don't like much -> End the series saying it was terrible and will only refer to it negatively for a while -> Look back on the series after some time and call it underrated" and it's getting tiring that a majority of people aren't noticing this and either tempering their expectations or taking a break from the franchise to decompress and settle down. Happened with Zero-One, happened with Saber, happened with Revice, it's probably gonna happen with Geats. When's the cycle gonna break?
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07-07-2023, 05:20 PM | #575 |
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It would require the fanbase to have a memory long-term, which isn't going to happen in a million years.
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07-07-2023, 05:26 PM | #576 |
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Gonna be a broad one here, but:
Kamen Rider fans nowadays keep falling into the same loop of "Overhype a new rider series -> Wax poetic about it at the start -> Completely 180 on it the moment the story does one thing they don't like much -> End the series saying it was terrible and will only refer to it negatively for a while -> Look back on the series after some time and call it underrated" and it's getting tiring that a majority of people aren't noticing this and either tempering their expectations or taking a break from the franchise to decompress and settle down. Happened with Zero-One, happened with Saber, happened with Revice, it's probably gonna happen with Geats. When's the cycle gonna break? Quote:
Another controversial one, though not related to the previous one too much. I think that Keiwa's character arc makes perfect sense. We've seen that he's much more cynical than most 'idealistic' characters, and that he isn't some perfect good guy. He has his own selfish moments which is normal for even the kindest person (as he's very invested in keeping his only remaining immediate relative alive), and that not everyone will be able to handle/get 'stronger' from immense tragedy, and will even potentially engage in the worst aspects of their personalities to try and cope. A more controversial one I feel like would be that I think Keiwa being "sidelined" during the Lamentation to Yearning arcs actually helped instill the idea that he's "powerless" compared to Ace's 2000 years of experience and Michinaga's sheer determination and ruthless. Like he's powerless even to take the spotlight from Michinaga who "usurps" his position as the deuteragonist for those arcs. And him getting beaten down by various events really help show that as much as he's gotten stronger and more skilled, that he's still outmatched by those two. Last edited by MKDremare; 07-07-2023 at 05:38 PM.. |
07-07-2023, 05:34 PM | #577 |
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Gonna be a broad one here, but:
Kamen Rider fans nowadays keep falling into the same loop of "Overhype a new rider series -> Wax poetic about it at the start -> Completely 180 on it the moment the story does one thing they don't like much -> End the series saying it was terrible and will only refer to it negatively for a while -> Look back on the series after some time and call it underrated" and it's getting tiring that a majority of people aren't noticing this and either tempering their expectations or taking a break from the franchise to decompress and settle down. Happened with Zero-One, happened with Saber, happened with Revice, it's probably gonna happen with Geats. When's the cycle gonna break? That said, you're absolutely correct about over-hype. It's why I don't watch KR anymore as it airs. Last one I did was Zero-One and, while I liked it overall, even I dropped off at the end and didn't finish it till last year. Every time a KR series begins there's people saying it's the best series ever, as if it doesn't have almost a year left to go. It leads to a very distorted view of public opinion where the general consensus starts very aligned and then, I dunno, retroactively shifts after a period of time? But it's not even that people say the show got worse or something, but rather the idea that once it loses that momentum or, as you said, does something unpopular, suddenly it as always bad. |
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Another controversial one, though not related to the previous one too much. I think that Keiwa's character arc makes perfect sense. We've seen that he's much more cynical than most 'idealistic' characters, and that he isn't some perfect good guy. He has his own selfish moments which is normal for even the kindest person (as he's very invested in keeping his only remaining immediate relative alive), and that not everyone will be able to handle/get 'stronger' from immense tragedy, and will even potentially engage in the worst aspects of their personalities to try and cope.
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A more controversial one I feel like would be that I think Keiwa being "sidelined" during the Lamentation to Yearning arcs actually helped instill the idea that he's "powerless" compared to Ace's 2000 years of experience and Michinaga's sheer determination and ruthless. Like he's powerless even to take the spotlight from Michinaga who "usurps" his position as the deuteragonist for those arcs. And him getting beaten down by various events really help show that as much as he's gotten stronger and more skilled, that he's still outmatched by those two.
Rivals seem to be so overrated sometimes, their words being taken with face value, when people like Michinaga are also arrogant and, just big-mouthed. The good-natured characters' (like Keiwa) shortcomings such as being naive and gullible being endlessly brought up, likely dismissing how he can keep as plot armor, and concluding those as how you should encourage cruelty to "eliminate weaknesses and get ahead" (how Kekera-like fans emerge), when writing kind character as naive is only a writing chouce, while rough and mean characters like Michinaga had them being depicted as sensible, tough, badass, realistic (playing up cynicism as this), and mature, and if they fail, they're considered as the writers giving them the short end of the stick, overlooking their own shortcomings like how being reckless and stubborn holds them back at games like DGP where cooperation is required, or not maximizing what they have like using guns only as melee weapon, and actually gets killed in ep. 15 even if Zombie did its work. Michinaga does get to win in JGP, but Beroba also deserves credit in that.
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I think some people seem to be unable to differentiate between kindness and idealistic. Kindness is the action, you perform good deed to others indiscriminately and refuse to do bad things if you can help it, idealism is the worldview. Seems by this people'd think that being stupid is an inherent part of being kind, when good people can be just as discerning and mistrustful as any hardened, gruffy character, it's a writing choice to make those kind characters, idealistic to the point of naivety. Otherwise, about being very invested in keeping his relative alive, it happens notably in ep. 8 where he was self-righteous to dismiss other Riders' wants in his strategy against the boss, but some people seem to be in denial that Keiwa can ever be in the wrong, only demonizing everyone else for being at odds with him (rejecting his strategy doesn't mean leaving people to die, they're still going to face the final boss, only want to do so with other way than just being baits).
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My controversial opinion (likely) regarding this would be likely that, people seem to stay on status quo regarding evaluating characters, still clinging on characters on when they start, dismissing any skill and competency they get no matter how much later when they start off as newcomers (also happens to most main Riders), as if always viewing Keiwa (and Neon) as a newbie no matter what unlike the other 2. Also, dunno if this is what you're saying here, but Michinaga should stop being pitted as Ace's equal. Previously, when both are in Command Twin, Keiwa can put some fight to Ace though Ace always had the upper hand, and later in those Michinaga screentimes, Ace also can fight him off using both Jamato/Zombie Buckle and even Command Twin, using only Magnum - both Keiwa and Michinaga are more on similar levels, they're Riders who can't stand up to final boss in 2nd DGP, unlike Ace, and Keiwa was "powerless" because he's left out in power to only use Ninja compared to Ace's LaserBoost and Michinaga's Jamashin powers, don't ignore those to only talk about characters' personalities (and glorify destructive emotions for Buffa's case), his solution is to get more powerful Buckle, but in ep. 31, Keiwa performs better than Michinaga (Fever zombie) with stronger item (Command Twin) against Dunkleosteus Jamato, so it's not that he's a noob carried by stronger item in this case. Ep. 41 makes it official in their untransformed bout.
In Encounter, it's Ace taking advantage of his newbie status to get the Boost Buckle in the first round and later on convincing him to risk his life in the Kick the Can Game so that he could fulfill a Secret Mission to get the Ninja Buckle. In Divergence, it's Daichi pretending to be a listening ear, only for him to try and fuck him over by pinning him as the Desastar due to his reluctance to fight the Jyamato since he thinks it's Shirowe back from the dead. In Lamentation, it's... basically something every round. First round, he gets put out of commission, leaving Ace to save the day and get Boost MKII. Second round... nothing that I can remember, actually. Third round, Keiwa does well only to get sneak attacked by the Dunkleosteus Jyamato and loses his fight. Final round, we all know what happens there. This is basically the arc where Keiwa suffers the most. In Yearning, it's his quite literal powerlessness to beat an invincible Jyamashin!Michinaga who keeps ragging on him for his beliefs, as well as seeing him beat his sister who got dragged into the DGP/DR again and forcibly retired against her will (which is a fair thing to worry about, considering how we've seen people's personalities change after their desires get removed, so who knows what could've happened to her). And then the Grand End takes his memories and Desire Driver, leaving him powerless again. And we don't need to go over what happened in Genesis, considering what's happening. So considering how so much of Keiwa's powerlessness came because others took actions by any means necessary, it's no wonder why Keiwa decided to do the same, too. Quote:
Rivals seem to be so overrated sometimes, their words being taken with face value, when people like Michinaga are also arrogant and, just big-mouthed. The good-natured characters' (like Keiwa) shortcomings such as being naive and gullible being endlessly brought up, likely dismissing how he can keep as plot armor, and concluding those as how you should encourage cruelty to "eliminate weaknesses and get ahead" (how Kekera-like fans emerge), when writing kind character as naive is only a writing chouce, while rough and mean characters like Michinaga had them being depicted as sensible, tough, badass, realistic (playing up cynicism as this), and mature, and if they fail, they're considered as the writers giving them the short end of the stick, overlooking their own shortcomings like how being reckless and stubborn holds them back at games like DGP where cooperation is required, or not maximizing what they have like using guns only as melee weapon, and actually gets killed in ep. 15 even if Zombie did its work. Michinaga does get to win in JGP, but Beroba also deserves credit in that.
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07-08-2023, 01:36 AM | #580 |
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And this applies not only to the characters, but also to the show. For example, when Tsumuri suddenly becomes incredibly important at the end of Geats, this is taken as normal, although Tsukuyomi from Zi-O in white is scolded for the same. With the fact that the girl in white was given much more attention in her show. |
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