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06-16-2017, 05:29 AM | #14641 |
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I felt somewhat similar with you about W and Drive, but it's the opposite. There're particularly so many nitpicks that that I can bring about W than Drive here. I don't want to nitpick the two-parter format here, but man, the two-parter is one of things that hold W to be a great series. Still, I might recommend for everyone else to watch pre-Wizard series first because the post-Wizard series are much more story-driven, especially Gaim and Ex-Aid. I disliked the constant doubts of Wakana and Ryubee basically felt less intimidating compared to later villains. Even as mediocre Saeko can be, at least, she was more compelling than the rest of families.
On side note, let's compare W and OOO a little bit. I have watched the first ten episodes and sometimes before I watched post episode 31. OOO for some instances start to drive its story much fluid than W and it manages to actually make the whole point just by ten episodes. For W, it's hard to take its seriously during its first 10 episodes while OOO starts being serious during the first run. Once OOO Putotyra comes to the scene, you know that it's a serious period and no more useless fillers and more dive to the story. For W, they could just cut the whole Kirihiko's sister arc and the detective arc for more dwell to either Philip or Shotaro. W CJX also felt so sour until the last minute. I just particularly watched W post CJX's debut because of its theme.
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06-16-2017, 03:37 PM | #14642 |
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Straying away from all the W talk for a sec, I just finished up Ghost. Earlier I mentioned it seemed like it ranged from either meh to bleh since no one claimed it was their favorite season(Well one person did right after I posted it).
Holy hell this show. See, my expectations with Ghost were that it'd at least be as good as Wizard, it didn't even live up to that. But there was some good in it, two good things in fact. Alain and Akari. Alain was awesome this season. I loved his arc, I loved his driver, I thought he was the best handled of the three Riders, he's just so good. Another thing too is that he didn't end up getting a big boost in power like Specter or Ghost, but rather they wrote around it and pulled a Mach by having him progress his technique instead. I thought that was nice. He's pretty much a second Chase since he's initially evil, becomes good, has a nice arc to him, and ends up having some of the best character moments in the season. Looking at you Fumi-baa... Akari meanwhile is probably the best side character Kamen Rider has had since Ichijou from Kuuga. She's right up there with him and is hands down the best side character of the Neo-Heisei era. The biggest thing I love is that she's proactive, actually finding ways to assist Takeru and the gang at every chance. I mean crap, she invented a blaster that doubles as whatever the episode needs it to be after a few tweaks. It probably helps that I had a HUGE crush on Akari throughout the whole season. I mean she's so dorky and cute and efficient and Hikaru Ohsawa is just so... <3 <3 <3 *ahem* Moving on... With this season I was kinda excited at the theme concept of living life to the fullest, kinda like all the historical figures represented as Eyecons did. The secondary Rider could represent living life for those close to you while the third Rider is like I said, essentially Chase from Drive since he ends up turning good. On paper, this sounds pretty cool. All with a meh execution though. The worst part is that I thought that after however many meh eps there were, the last 10-15 Eps would really kick into high gear and be enjoyable. Every season I've seen up to this point did it(well except for Decade), I mean OOO did it, Wizard did it, Drive did it. Ugh, it was more disappointing than anything. New Ranking: Fourze W Den-O Gaim Decade Wizard OOO Drive Ghost Kuuga Agito Long story short, it's probably my least favorite Neo-Heisei season. I thought Drive would take that cake but Ghost is definitely it. On the bright side with Ex-Aid I don't think it can possibly be as bad as this, it can only go up from here. So I guess I'll find out if the next season's any good in a little bit. Game Start!
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06-16-2017, 10:08 PM | #14643 |
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To be frank, I somewhat understand a bit of Fish's point of view from every of his posts regarding about Ghost. The more I see it, the more I realize that Ghost had more than it had. I understand about Switchblade and Kiwami's rage for Ghost. But, first of all, the whole Ghost problems are summed up in one question: 'What are the criteria of a good Kamen Rider series?'
Really, that topic is the most crucial single problem of Ghost. For many people, they would expect a lot of good twists and story escalation with fluid story-telling that is crucial for a good series. But in my opinion, Ghost IS NOT like that! I meant it in a good way, though. Ghost is actually a good series in its own way. Ghost doesn't appeal the viewers with its storyline or the plot twists here and there. Ghost's main attractions are its messages and the developments on the characters. Don't expect Ghost to be a series like Gaim or Ex-Aid who has heavy plot. Ghost might have a lighter and softer plot but it really hits as being a good series with full of messages. Let's be honest, from all of the Neo-Heisei Riders or even the Heisei Riders, I don't think we have so many series with full of messages about life and death like Ghost. Most of the series relies on their twists and plot. While Ghost relies on its messages and the optimistic point of view. Basically, if you want to watch Ghost, you need to realize that it's NOT series that will hook you up but you can learn so many things about life, compassion, courage and other things from this series. This is why Ghost is actually a good series for kids. I know a lot of grown ups are complaining about the childish plot but it's what makes Ghost is really charming toward the kids. I bet that the kids enjoy Ghost a lot more than, say Gaim. I might end up rambling and rant non-stop like Fish if this continues, but what I said is basically sums up what Fish's previous posts. I don't say that Ghost doesn't have flaws. Remember, Ghost was pretty strong during Alain's arc but weakens during Mugen arc. I'm a writer so I understand where the problem is. After Mugen debuts, the writer decides not to escalate the story and just use VoW again. Let's be honest, this is one of the major problems for Ghost. It FAILED to escalate its own plot and instead, reducing the pacing. Why must we need to focus for the VoW for Takeru to get the emotion attacks? It would have been better if they focus more on Onari, that other Onari's apprentice, and heck, give Kanon more exposition. It would have been good if Takeru had learned those emotion attacks from his friends rather than from random people. They might even introduce the Demia Project a lot faster this way. Take a look on OOO and Drive. Once their Final Forms debut, the series' pacing is increased and they knew it's not the time to joke and wander around again. Even if they use VoW, the plot is moving even much faster than the episode. Well, then I have done rambling. I'm not saying that people who hates Ghost to like it. I just hope that I could open those people's mind about Ghost's true nature, just like what Fish said. On the other side, have anyone watched Specter Rebirth movie yet? I have watched it but I want other people's reaction first before I tell my own opinions.
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06-16-2017, 11:00 PM | #14644 |
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Honestly the more I look back on Ghost the more I see the holes. The show lost a lot of its direction later on and spent a lot of time alternatively spinning its wheels and introducing plot points it didn't seem to know what to do with. There's still a lot to like (in my opinion, of course), but it's pretty much the weakest final stretch a Rider show has ever had.
That being said, I stand by the first half~ish as being genuinely quite good, and while it becomes easy to see where the hate comes from looking at the big picture I still find it nuts anybody disliked the show right away. After a somewhat uneven premiere, Ghost immediately started moving with a ton of purpose. Basically nothing was filler, the pacing of what Plot the show did have was very strong, never stagnating, and characterization on the whole was rock solid, with a ton of growth for most of the cast. I once said Ex-Aid isn't any better than Ghost, and while I've been proven horribly, horribly wrong in the months since, Ghost still came out of the gate stronger as far as I'm concerned. But that's just my two cents on it~ Have fun with Ex-Aid, though! I think you'll find it has so many fans for good reason.
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06-16-2017, 11:08 PM | #14645 |
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Thinking back, I think my main problem with Ghost is how unorganized the whole show is. While it was always aware of what message it was trying to teach, more or less, it couldn't really decide on how it wanted to go about teaching that lesson.
On one hand, Ghost felt like it wanted to be an episodic show that focused on how every day people were effected not only by the 15 luminaries or the various supernatural events that were happening around them but also on the deeds that Takeru and his friends did for them. On the other hand, it wanted to be a more 'traditional' Kamen Rider show with a heavy focus on its plot and only really giving focus and development to characters who were able to move the story forward. While both can be done in a single show as long as things are planned and paced properly, Ghost gave off the impression that the writers were writing by the seat of their pants the entire time and could never figure out *how* they wanted to get from point A to point B. Hell, even original theme of the show took a hit because of this. While the show never stops being about life, that theme becomes secondary to the individuality theme that becomes the main focus of the show post-Toucon In short, I think the lack of escalation post-Mugen is further proof that the writers had no idea what they wanted to do with the show besides telling you life and individuality are both awesome. It kind of feels like an attempt to return to the days when the show was just about a young boy teaming up with his friends to get his life back, helping people and learning more about the value of life along the way. Unfortunately for it, those days were long gone and show had transformed into something on a much larger scale. Attempting to go back to those days after such an important moment was probably one of the worst choices the show could have ever made. |
06-16-2017, 11:31 PM | #14646 |
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Thinking back, I think my main problem with Ghost is how unorganized the whole show is. While it was always aware of what message it was trying to teach, more or less, it couldn't really decide on how it wanted to go about teaching that lesson.
On one hand, Ghost felt like it wanted to be an episodic show that focused on how every day people were effected not only by the 15 luminaries or the various supernatural events that were happening around them but also on the deeds that Takeru and his friends did for them. On the other hand, it wanted to be a more 'traditional' Kamen Rider show with a heavy focus on its plot and only really giving focus and development to characters who were able to move the story forward. While both can be done in a single show as long as things are planned and paced properly, Ghost gave off the impression that the writers were writing by the seat of their pants the entire time and could never figure out *how* they wanted to get from point A to point B. Hell, even original theme of the show took a hit because of this. While the show never stops being about life, that theme becomes secondary to the individuality theme that becomes the main focus of the show post-Toucon In short, I think the lack of escalation post-Mugen is further proof that the writers had no idea what they wanted to do with the show besides telling you life and individuality are both awesome. It kind of feels like an attempt to return to the days when the show was just about a young boy teaming up with his friends to get his life back, helping people and learning more about the value of life along the way. Unfortunately for it, those days were long gone and show had transformed into something on a much larger scale. Attempting to go back to those days after such an important moment was probably one of the worst choices the show could have ever made. |
06-17-2017, 12:07 AM | #14647 |
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Originally Posted by Sympathetic Ghost Watchers
Fish was right, while it's got some flaws, Ghost is actually a good show!
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It's not really that good.
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06-17-2017, 12:17 AM | #14648 |
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To be frank, I somewhat understand a bit of Fish's point of view from every of his posts regarding about Ghost. The more I see it, the more I realize that Ghost had more than it had. I understand about Switchblade and Kiwami's rage for Ghost. But, first of all, the whole Ghost problems are summed up in one question: 'What are the criteria of a good Kamen Rider series?'
Really, that topic is the most crucial single problem of Ghost. For many people, they would expect a lot of good twists and story escalation with fluid story-telling that is crucial for a good series. But in my opinion, Ghost IS NOT like that! I meant it in a good way, though. Ghost is actually a good series in its own way. Ghost doesn't appeal the viewers with its storyline or the plot twists here and there. Ghost's main attractions are its messages and the developments on the characters. Don't expect Ghost to be a series like Gaim or Ex-Aid who has heavy plot. Ghost might have a lighter and softer plot but it really hits as being a good series with full of messages. Let's be honest, from all of the Neo-Heisei Riders or even the Heisei Riders, I don't think we have so many series with full of messages about life and death like Ghost. Most of the series relies on their twists and plot. While Ghost relies on its messages and the optimistic point of view. Basically, if you want to watch Ghost, you need to realize that it's NOT series that will hook you up but you can learn so many things about life, compassion, courage and other things from this series. This is why Ghost is actually a good series for kids. I know a lot of grown ups are complaining about the childish plot but it's what makes Ghost is really charming toward the kids. I bet that the kids enjoy Ghost a lot more than, say Gaim. I might end up rambling and rant non-stop like Fish if this continues, but what I said is basically sums up what Fish's previous posts. I don't say that Ghost doesn't have flaws. Remember, Ghost was pretty strong during Alain's arc but weakens during Mugen arc. I'm a writer so I understand where the problem is. After Mugen debuts, the writer decides not to escalate the story and just use VoW again. Let's be honest, this is one of the major problems for Ghost. It FAILED to escalate its own plot and instead, reducing the pacing. Why must we need to focus for the VoW for Takeru to get the emotion attacks? It would have been better if they focus more on Onari, that other Onari's apprentice, and heck, give Kanon more exposition. It would have been good if Takeru had learned those emotion attacks from his friends rather than from random people. They might even introduce the Demia Project a lot faster this way. Take a look on OOO and Drive. Once their Final Forms debut, the series' pacing is increased and they knew it's not the time to joke and wander around again. Even if they use VoW, the plot is moving even much faster than the episode. Well, then I have done rambling. I'm not saying that people who hates Ghost to like it. I just hope that I could open those people's mind about Ghost's true nature, just like what Fish said. On the other side, have anyone watched Specter Rebirth movie yet? I have watched it but I want other people's reaction first before I tell my own opinions. Quote:
Honestly the more I look back on Ghost the more I see the holes. The show lost a lot of its direction later on and spent a lot of time alternatively spinning its wheels and introducing plot points it didn't seem to know what to do with. There's still a lot to like (in my opinion, of course), but it's pretty much the weakest final stretch a Rider show has ever had.
That being said, I stand by the first half~ish as being genuinely quite good, and while it becomes easy to see where the hate comes from looking at the big picture I still find it nuts anybody disliked the show right away. After a somewhat uneven premiere, Ghost immediately started moving with a ton of purpose. Basically nothing was filler, the pacing of what Plot the show did have was very strong, never stagnating, and characterization on the whole was rock solid, with a ton of growth for most of the cast. I once said Ex-Aid isn't any better than Ghost, and while I've been proven horribly, horribly wrong in the months since, Ghost still came out of the gate stronger as far as I'm concerned. But that's just my two cents on it~ Have fun with Ex-Aid, though! I think you'll find it has so many fans for good reason. I wanted to elaborate that while I thought Ghost was subpar, that's not to denounce anyone who enjoyed it or can see more good in it than I do. You guys added a lot of how I felt about the show. Especially about the first half-ish vs the finale arc. Kind of a weird thing to post but I always feel like shining a light on the well spoken and not condescending thoughts on any forum of discussion. Like Kuuga would say. Good job! *thumbs up* ^-^
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06-17-2017, 12:35 AM | #14649 |
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Honestly the more I look back on Ghost the more I see the holes. The show lost a lot of its direction later on and spent a lot of time alternatively spinning its wheels and introducing plot points it didn't seem to know what to do with. There's still a lot to like (in my opinion, of course), but it's pretty much the weakest final stretch a Rider show has ever had.
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06-17-2017, 12:39 AM | #14650 |
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Man, I can't even agree with myself now? This is starting to get out of hand.
Although any day I'm living up to Kuuga is a good day in my book.
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