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06-06-2020, 07:10 AM | #511 |
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Not gonna lie, I never saw this episode in full due to a problem with my provider (I won’t mention names, but it rhymes with hiss sasian). So I had to look it up on the Rider Wiki. Pretty annoying.
And as for where to watch the movie, the big reveal it handles is handled in episode 33/34 (my memory of which in particular is hazy) of the series, so I’d recommend watching it around then (I didn’t watch it around then, but I’m not trying to be a role model). |
06-06-2020, 08:56 AM | #512 |
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Not gonna lie, I never saw this episode in full due to a problem with my provider (I won’t mention names, but it rhymes with hiss sasian). So I had to look it up on the Rider Wiki. Pretty annoying.
And as for where to watch the movie, the big reveal it handles is handled in episode 33/34 (my memory of which in particular is hazy) of the series, so I’d recommend watching it around then (I didn’t watch it around then, but I’m not trying to be a role model). I'll remind him when it happens. Assuming a ton of other people don't beat me to it. |
06-06-2020, 09:38 AM | #513 |
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Errr, no, at this point might as well just save the movie until after the series is fully completed. Probably better for the discussion too, people can then freely compare and contrast between the movie and the whole show without tiptoeing around and inevitably spoil Die on the remaining episodes.
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06-06-2020, 11:55 AM | #514 |
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Yeah, if we can keep the movie/show comparisons until after I watch the movie (which is now going to be after Episode 50), I'd be grateful. It shouldn't be that long from now!
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Delta is so cool that he rides in a giant hoverbike that shoots a hundred mis- Oh wait, that actually happened. It's ridiculous (and amazing).
I've always liked the relationship between our two leads but I don't think I ever felt much about their 'rivlary' as Rider and Orphnoch. The show really tries to make it a point that they hate each other, and while I kinda get behind Yuuji seeing Faiz as this ruthless slayer of his kind, Takumi's only view of Horsepower is just 'that guy keeps beating me up'. That doesn't take away from how much a shock this moment is though, when they finally find out about each other's secret identity. Absolutely agree that it's top-tier among cliffhangers. Quote:
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Without having watched Episode 30, I feel like that would be the one I wouldn't want to have missed. This one, the first part of the story... I mean, I'm sure it sucked to miss the end of the first Delta fight, but I've got to think the meat of this story is going to be in the next chapter.
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06-06-2020, 01:17 PM | #515 |
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I know the discussion about the theme song has passed but I stumbled across this and need to share it.
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06-06-2020, 01:27 PM | #516 |
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Funny story: I watched a certain show before Faiz which made the plot twist easier to predict. Anybody whose name isn't Die will probably know what I'm talking about. Quote:
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Takumi’s having a tough time of it, after seeing Skullcandy kill Saya. He wants to believe in the innate humanity of Orphnochs, but the murder of someone he’d grown to tolerate (Takumi’s closest type of relationship!) by what was basically her brother, that changes his feelings. He’s seen the worst Orphnochs have to offer, and now that’s all he can see. One of my favorite threads in this episode is watching Takumi just process his grief in the most Takumi ways possible. When Keitaro is crushed by Saya’s death, Takumi tries to console him, but he does it by saying Hey You Can Stop Mourning Her Pretty Soon. He’s trying to say something about the necessity of letting grief end, of letting someone live in your memory, but he’s incredibly/naturally tactless, and it just makes Keitaro wonder what in the hell is wrong with Takumi. Which in turn makes Takumi defensive, and more tactless, and withdrawn. It’s a classic Keitaro/Takumi Mess-Around! It keeps Takumi in a funk long enough to be a horrible employee of a dry cleaners, loudly berating customers to do their own damn laundry. Takumi is losing his mind about all of this rage that he can’t put anywhere. Cue Yuuji, the rest of Team Orphnoch, a melon, and some awkward conversation. Literally nothing makes me happier on this show than when we get all six of the main cast in a scene. Having them all sit around a table, speculating about whether Orphnochs are innately human or whether human-seeming Orphnochs are an aberration, it’s a great way to surface the episode’s themes while still being as charming as possible. Because, like, it’s a pretty split decision! Yuuji’s confident that Orphnochs are human, and so is Mari, but Kaido needs some prompting. (At least he got his Sour Kelp!) Yuka’s onboard… sort-of? Keitaro is so ashamed to be around Yuka that he abstains. And Takumi thinks it’s a question that can’t be answered by a vote, partially because he’s currently being outvoted. It’s a big question, and one the show isn’t super into answering right this minute. Mostly because it’s using that discussion to reiterate how in-the-dark Yuuji and Takumi are about their secret identities, and that’s important to do since they are no longer in the dark. My head canon is that when Mari asked Takumi if anyone in the reunion photo was his type, his second option was Saya. This is the first time the show has ever given Takumi a love interest and for her to die so soon, it's definitely a wound that he won't recover from easily, even if he acts like everything's fine like he usually does. When he told Keitarou to get over her, I think he was projecting again. He wants to get over her but it's not as easy as he makes it look. The first nekojita he ever met like him. That's got to be fate, right? And now she's gone, just to give Takumi another reason to loathe himself. People just keep dying around him. When it comes to melon, I'm more of a cantaloupe kind of guy. Not like I eat it much anyway. Quote:
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THAT ENDING! I’d gotten so used to Takumi and Yuuji just missing the chance to learn each other’s secrets that, uh, I sort-of forgot they actually could learn them! And holy shit they just did! For a show that’s had a crazy amount of good cliffhangers, this one has to be in the top 3. (I can’t rank them, but this was a really good one.) This episode had given us both a very sweet Takkiba scene (Yuuji asks if he wants to talk about what’s bothering him!), as well as another brutal Faiz/Horsepower fight. We’d seen the bond of their friendship, and the depths of their hatred. That’s precisely the moment you want to expose their secrets. Oh, also, Delta shoots a billion missiles at them from the most Delta ride machine.
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06-06-2020, 01:55 PM | #517 |
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So Saya is the second victim of the female Rider curse and unlike Miho (Kamen Rider Femme), her death wasn't even obligatory! It's a shame we didn't at least get to see her henshin. Saya seemed like an innocuous person which made the reveal of Delta's identity even more surprising. Her body failed her at the critical moment but she was strong enough to control Delta, which made her the most capable user we've seen so far, until Kitazaki picked it up.
My head canon is that when Mari asked Takumi if anyone in the reunion photo was his type, his second option was Saya. This is the first time the show has ever given Takumi a love interest and for her to die so soon, it's definitely a wound that he won't recover from easily, even if he acts like everything's fine like he usually does. When he told Keitarou to get over her, I think he was projecting again. He wants to get over her but it's not as easy as he makes it look. The first nekojita he ever met like him. That's got to be fate, right? And now she's gone, just to give Takumi another reason to loathe himself. People just keep dying around him.
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06-06-2020, 01:59 PM | #518 |
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06-06-2020, 02:22 PM | #519 |
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Y'know, I don't know that I warmed to Saya, but maybe she could've been a fun character? It certainly would've been interesting to see how Takumi navigated a romantic relationship. At the very least, the excruciating awkwardness of him trying to express desire would be some great TV!
The novel (the one where Kusaka does you-know-what) shows another side to her but it's distasteful and, thankfully, non-canon.
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06-06-2020, 07:07 PM | #520 |
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So, I guess to clarify, when I said I'd be talking about what's fun for me to talk about, that doesn't mean I'm only going to be complementary or that I'm going to ignore the flaws. It can be fun to talk about those! I mostly meant that if I didn't care about something in an episode, I wouldn't bring it up at all. It's not about avoiding talking about bad things, it's about avoiding talking about boring things. I enjoy talking about non-boring stuff, even if it's a disagreement!
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I just felt like it had more juice to it, more moves. It's not just Go Kill This Traitor or Steal This Belt. The plot had a lot of moving pieces to it, and that kept me pretty interested. It was a story that fleshed out their group to the degree that I'd watch scenes of just their dynamic, same as I would for Team Orphnoch.
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Oh I have to apologize, I didn't realize that "Saya" and "Kimura" was played up as a twist here. Though it does mean this is another Ryusei School stuff.... right? Also the Delta that was facing Takuma and instilled fear on him in previous episode was her btw. The Delta gear wasn't harmful in the way Kaixa Gear is, but it does have side effects. For Saya, it may have activated some of her Orphenoch DNA, as she died in flames. She fell ill due to the strain on suppressing the Delta Gear's influence and her Orphnoch DNA. The ending is similar to the ending on episode 24 here, and I feel that is more of a total victory there, because the protagonists has exactly zero way to fight back there, while here, they are still in Rider forms, though outnumbered. I think this was my point for "making the series all 100% like that is out of the people's capabilities, even making every single recurring cast equally as deep and completed is known as an enormous task, let alone the victims and one-time people", that it's too high of an expectations, not enough room for 100% everyone.
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