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05-05-2020, 02:49 PM | #21 |
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05-05-2020, 03:21 PM | #22 |
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Well, I’ve been patient long enough. Time for my two cents. Namely, I disagree with some of the ideas put forth.
A more serialised show isn’t always a good idea. Yes Gaminator was a serialised show and it did well, but Dragon Knight was also a serialised show aimed at kids. And that’s cited as one reason the show failed (because each episode required you to have watched the last few, and most people don’t have the memory to retain the necessary information if they have seen it). Also, I disagree with the concept of more Rangers. Having more characters for EVERY toy that comes out seems more like it belongs in a fanfiction than in a professionally made tv show. Plus I REALLY hat the idea. Jetman didn’t bring in a new Ranger for each mecha. Gekiranger didn’t bring in a new Ranger for each mecha, Gokaiger didn’t bring in a new Ranger for each mecha and modern shows CERTAINLY don’t need a new Ranger for every mecha. Ok, rant over. If you ask me, they’d do better if they look at the shows that did the best (Ohranger, Gaoranger, Kyoryuger) and figure out why they did so well, so they can replicate it. |
05-05-2020, 05:27 PM | #23 |
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I don't have that many big, series wide problems with Super Sentai as far as how they tell their stories. I mean, I have problems with a lot of the tropes they keep using that but that's less because the tropes themselves and more about how they use them. My biggest problem with Super Sentai as a series its entire business model.
OK, so Super Sentai is a team based TV show in which the biggest draw of the show merchandise wise are the mecha. There's nothing wrong with this set up in concept but the devil is in the details and Super Sentai, in my opinion, seems to go out of its way to downplay both of these aspects. Starting with the team aspect of the show, one of the biggest problems I have with the show is the fact that the Red Ranger is that main character. Don't get me wrong, I understand that somebody has the be the face of the team, but it feels like the show does everything in its power to communicate to audiences that the red ranger is the only individual that matters in the team both narratively and commercially. He's the main character of the show, all of the unique toys go to him, and only him, and if there are items that are used by the team as a whole, he's still the primary user. While none of this would be that big of a deal in a show like, say, Kamen Rider where the title very clearly states that there's somebody who's more important then everyone else, when a show called Super SENTAI does this, it kind of undermines the entire concept of the show and it makes you wonder why they even bothered naming the show after a team when one member matters so much more then the others. I mean, isn't point of a team based show being able to see a bunch of unique individuals with unique talents working together to solve a problem? Why does the show assume that everybody wants to be the red ranger. What if somebody likes the blue ranger? or the yellow ranger? The show make so effort to appeal to anyone who isn't a red( or sixth) ranger fan that I can't help but wonder what's the point of having other rangers... Now onto the mecha. Despite being probably the biggest draw of the series merchandise wise, It always baffled me as to why the mecha is so... inconsequentially to the show as a whole. In most shows, the mecha is nothing more then a giant weapon, used against a monster that's already been destroyed, in a battle that can usually be skipped without losing anything of value as far as either the story or the characters are concerned. Some shows try and get around this through a few different methods, such as making them actual characters or having them grant the rangers a special ability that's usable outside of mecha battles, but those are either so rare that they feel like nothing more then one off gimmicks to make the show stand out in some way from other shows in the series or they're apply so selectively that if feels less like they're making that specific mecha better and more like they making other mecha worse by not having it. Hell, most of the time they can't even be bother to make the additional mecha do something other then change one of the main mecha's arms or give them a different weapon. The few times the mecha has a gimmick other then 'changing arms' its almost completely ignored after the first quarter of the show. To make a long story short, my biggest problem with Super Sentai as a franchise is that I feel like the show isn't very good at selling its concept. For all of the different experiments they've tried over the last ten or so years with the show, I feel like they've done very little to fix the core issues with how they sell the show. I could go even further about my problems with the toys themselves, whoever decided that a tokusatsu in 2020 shouldn't have a collectible device deserves to sent to bed without dinner for the entirety of this show's run, but I think I'll save that for another day. |
05-05-2020, 07:46 PM | #24 |
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I mean it sounds like most of you just want Sentai to be more like Rider, and like, I get that because not only do I like Rider more too, but the latter is clearly the product that Toei pushes more to have an appeal to all age groups.
That's exactly why I don't expect that to happen though. As of now, Sentai still fills a specific niche. Featuring a team of colourful heroes and their (many) giant robots, that niche just happens to inevitably shrink more and more with time. So the shows really don't have any reason ever to be particularly ambitious (and while I'm sure it's just a coincidence, the shows being ambitious in it's writing has never helped sales anyway. Look at Gekiranger and Go-Busters). Though personally, I've not really great desire for Sentai to change it's ways. It is what it is, and I've stuck around it because of what it is. If I wanted something more serialised or different, well... I would just tune into a different show. Which I can do because it also airs every week. |
05-06-2020, 10:06 AM | #25 |
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I just want to say that so far Kiramager is really good, and for the many of the reasons listed in this thread.
That could change as the season progresses, but this is the first time I've really enjoyed a modern sentai series. |
05-06-2020, 12:12 PM | #26 |
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This is strictly from a toy perspective.
Give the Mecha the articulation that other combining robot toylines enjoy. You know, hips, knees, elbows, etc. I see no reason such things are limited to either SOC or Super Minipla. There is no excuse for Bandai not to do it when the likes of Tobots are able to outmatch them. |
05-07-2020, 05:14 AM | #27 |
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This is strictly from a toy perspective.
Give the Mecha the articulation that other combining robot toylines enjoy. You know, hips, knees, elbows, etc. I see no reason such things are limited to either SOC or Super Minipla. There is no excuse for Bandai not to do it when the likes of Tobots are able to outmatch them. |
05-07-2020, 07:23 AM | #28 |
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Also, I disagree with the concept of more Rangers. Having more characters for EVERY toy that comes out seems more like it belongs in a fanfiction than in a professionally made tv show. Plus I REALLY hat the idea. Jetman didn’t bring in a new Ranger for each mecha. Gekiranger didn’t bring in a new Ranger for each mecha, Gokaiger didn’t bring in a new Ranger for each mecha and modern shows CERTAINLY don’t need a new Ranger for every mecha.
Ok, rant over. If you ask me, they’d do better if they look at the shows that did the best (Ohranger, Gaoranger, Kyoryuger) and figure out why they did so well, so they can replicate it. I can't say for Ohranger, but Gaoranger gave birth to introducing auxillary mechas and it's a staple for every Sentai that comes after it. While I don't know if it contributed to sales (most likely not), but what I like about Gaoranger is that each Ranger would gain their own auxillary zords, increasing their importance as they are the one who is required to summon their respectibe auxillaries. The last time Sentai did this was..... Correct me if I'm wrong, Goseiger, I guess? What I'm saying is that if you look at Ryusoulger, every time they introduce new zords and armor, Red would always be the one who receives it. If they actually distributed the auxillary zords to the other Rysuoulger, making it seem like it's their own power, it would drastically lessen the 'Red-focus' criticism.
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05-07-2020, 07:30 AM | #29 |
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Now onto the mecha. Despite being probably the biggest draw of the series merchandise wise, It always baffled me as to why the mecha is so... inconsequentially to the show as a whole. In most shows, the mecha is nothing more then a giant weapon, used against a monster that's already been destroyed, in a battle that can usually be skipped without losing anything of value as far as either the story or the characters are concerned.
Some shows try and get around this through a few different methods, such as making them actual characters or having them grant the rangers a special ability that's usable outside of mecha battles, but those are either so rare that they feel like nothing more then one off gimmicks to make the show stand out in some way from other shows in the series or they're apply so selectively that if feels less like they're making that specific mecha better and more like they making other mecha worse by not having it. Hell, most of the time they can't even be bother to make the additional mecha do something other then change one of the main mecha's arms or give them a different weapon. The few times the mecha has a gimmick other then 'changing arms' its almost completely ignored after the first quarter of the show. To make a long story short, my biggest problem with Super Sentai as a franchise is that I feel like the show isn't very good at selling its concept. For all of the different experiments they've tried over the last ten or so years with the show, I feel like they've done very little to fix the core issues with how they sell the show. I could go even further about my problems with the toys themselves, whoever decided that a tokusatsu in 2020 shouldn't have a collectible device deserves to sent to bed without dinner for the entirety of this show's run, but I think I'll save that for another day. I get that it's budget reasons because technically, Sentai had to juggle both the responsibilities that Kamen Rider and Ultraman had at the same time. I feel like Sentai needs to balance their mecha fights so that it seems important. Yes, so far Kiramager seems to be doing that, and hopefully it makes them successful, but until then we'll see.
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05-07-2020, 07:47 AM | #30 |
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I guess I should say that I wasn't saying they should introduce more Rangers - I would much rather they figure out how to balance the cast they start with before introducing anyone else - and more that I'm surprised they don't do that. It just feels like an obvious easy to boost sales, so while I wouldn't exactly be enthused about it, it's just surprising to me.
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