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03-06-2018, 03:21 AM | #31 |
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I think the thing for me with Amazons is that they're allowed to do A LOT more than they can with the main show, and I don't just mean "showing more gore".
Although I would say Kamen Rider aims for an older audience than Sentai (typically), it's still very much for kids. That means, to an extent, Toei has to play it "safe". The hero is almost always an all-loving hero who is by far the most morally sound character in the entire cast. No matter what trials and tribulations the hero faces, there's always the guarantee that they'll come out on top and save the day. It's a zone where kids can feel safe and comfortable. Then you take Amazons, which is pretty much allowed to go balls to the wall. I mean, you had Chihiro, the guy who seems to fit the mold of a standard Rider protagonist, until he goes apeshit, kills a bunch of people and you find out he's literally too dangerous to be left alive, yet you still feel sympathy for him because it's not really his fault. You had Haruka, who fights on behalf of humanity at first, except he willingly turns his back on them so that the monsters of the series can live in peace away from them. Let's not even get started on Jin, who couldn't give a damn about "justice" and "peace" and really only cares about rectifying his past mistakes. Even the most outwardly villainous characters in the series are fighting against the monsters. Yeah, the Amazons aren't even really evil, they're just hungry. It's the human characters that are trying to hunt them that you really need to be scared about. The fact that it's aimed at adults allows it to have so much more complexity that it wouldn't have if it were shoehorned into a mainstream Rider formula (not that there's anything wrong with it, I just welcome the change).
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03-06-2018, 08:21 AM | #32 |
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FangJoker, PuToTyra and RabbitTank Hazard all disagree.
Honestly the first series wasn't too bad. Still edgy for the sake of being edgy, but in a charming sort of way. Season 2 had a really good story...but it was bogged down by the pointless gore. Amazons as a story requires gore...but the first series did so tastefully. The second was just overdoing it for shock value.
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03-06-2018, 02:18 PM | #33 |
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I agree. I think having a Rider shows for adults does it to explore more darker and mature themes in the story that the main TV shows can't do. I feel like Amazons has more to it than blood and gore since I do think they handle the characters and writing very well. It's not like stuff like The Human Centipede, August Underground and Corpse Party which is like "Hey look at us. We are so hardcore by having as much gross shit as possible!!!".
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03-06-2018, 06:22 PM | #34 |
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Right. Amazons does have some disturbing imagery. But there's a purpose to the gore, rather than having gore for the sake of gore. Amazons isn't Tarantino-esque violence porn. There's a real story to tell. Is it perfect? Nothing is; even the shows I consider the best have problems. But it was fun having the "good ol' days" of the early 2000s again.
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03-06-2018, 08:42 PM | #35 |
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very well said, everything on this page.
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03-07-2018, 07:11 PM | #36 |
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I think people are forgetting that Kamen Rider as a TV series is watered down from Ishinomori's original idea. Shin Kamen Rider was meant to be that original idea brought to life. Despite being loosely based on Amazon Rider, Amazons is essentially Shin with more detail. I'm simply glad that Rider still has some grit left. As good as Gaim and Build are, even they sometimes don't measure up to classics like Kuuga and Agito for various reasons.
You do realize the 70s amazon despite the gore and such was a show about friendship right?
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03-08-2018, 01:51 AM | #37 |
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I think people are forgetting that Kamen Rider as a TV series is watered down from Ishinomori's original idea. Shin Kamen Rider was meant to be that original idea brought to life. Despite being loosely based on Amazon Rider, Amazons is essentially Shin with more detail. I'm simply glad that Rider still has some grit left. As good as Gaim and Build are, even they sometimes don't measure up to classics like Kuuga and Agito for various reasons.
During the 70's and 80's, Japanese shows and manga for kids was able to get away with more darker and violent stuff because Japan's standers and censorship was way different. Even manga like Devilman, Barefoot Gen, City Hunter, Patlabor, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Baoh, Fist of the North Star and The Guyver was aim to kids in the 70's and 80's.
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03-08-2018, 07:23 AM | #38 |
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Mattie Ross: They say he has grit. I wanted a man with grit.
Col. G. Stonehill: Well, I suppose he has that. He's a notorious thumper. He's not a man I would care to share a bed with. Mattie Ross: Nor would I. You do realize 2016+ Amazons, despite the gore and such, is a show about playing God and the consequences of toying with and devaluing life, right? |
03-08-2018, 12:42 PM | #39 |
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Amazons wouldn't have been interesting if it were 'just' gore. There was a cool story happening.
I really liked Alpha/Jin and look at the show as 'his' story. But the interesting thing (or one of the interesting things) about the show is it looks different depending on who you think of as the main character. Season 2 could be all about Iyu, or all about Jin, or all about Chihiro, or.... it all looks different depending on who you focus on. |
03-23-2018, 11:50 PM | #40 |
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Subbed version of the second trailer. Still rooting for my boy Haruka. |
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