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01-27-2021, 01:15 PM | #811 |
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...is what I would say if the entire middle section of this episode actually happened, instead of being a nightmare Tsurugi had after he ate too much takoyaki during his date with Misaki. It's weird that no one seems to have picked up on how none of the Tsurugi Wants To Die stuff actually happened, considering the episode ends with Tsurugi falling back asleep. It's too bad he needed to go back to France to reestablish his family's dynasty, but I'm sure we'll see more of his romance with Misaki down the line in a V-Cinema or something.
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01-27-2021, 03:59 PM | #812 |
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Well, sorry about the following replies, but some part would like to talk about objectivity and fairness...
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KAMEN RIDER KABUTO - EPISODE 46
No to a story that ends with Tendou honoring someone’s request for suicide because they were too disgusted to live with themselves, with the complex truth of their existence. No to a story that lets Tendou execute someone in front of a grieving friend, and playing it as some noble act, his unshakeable character and deep kindness. Quote:
No to a story where Kagami’s explanation for why he never told anyone why Tsurugi was a Worm was that he hadn’t gotten around to it yet, not that he felt something for a friend, or that he was afraid of what would happen to Tsurugi, or literally anything that spoke to their bond.
No to all of it, to every scene, to every line of dialogue, to every maudlin staging, to every reasonable Misaki reaction that is obliterated in the face of manly suffering and laughable motivations. Quote:
No to a story that assumes that Tsurugi could be a sociopathically capable supervillain at the drop of a hat, despite dozens of episodes as evidence to the contrary.
No to a story that thinks you can make Tsurugi a cold-blooded killer after spending a season making him the sweetest puppy of a Rider. No to a story where Tsurugi’s dastardly plan was to crush all of the Zecters in an industrial press, something that not only doesn’t work, but obviously was never ever going to work because these things are from space. Quote:
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Obviously, this whole episode was a nightmare that Tsurugi was having after finding out he was a Worm, which is why it makes absolutely no sense, has an insulting theme, and is zero fun to experience. The real story is that he goes on that date with Misaki because he doesn’t die. What other stories in Kamen Rider has your headcanon saved from heartbreaking awfulness? (Please don’t post any answers from Den-O through Decade or Zi-O up!)
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01-27-2021, 09:46 PM | #813 |
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My take on why Tsurugi had to be killed is that as a Worm he has killed at least two people - the real Tsurugi and his sister. While Hiyori and Tadokoro as far as we know never hurt anybody. So Tsurugi was more or less sentenced to death for murder like all the other Worms that killed somebody. But that's just my take on the matter.
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01-27-2021, 11:27 PM | #814 |
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who wants some final thoughts on 46 before i forget about it foreverrrrrrr
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Well, for you saying this isn't Inoue, sorry but I have to say that, this part is also Inoue, even if this doesn't sit well, people keeping truths away or not communicating well is something happening in plenty of his stories, to keep the drama going, whenever that part works for you (Faiz) or not.
What I'm against is that, for all the valid reasons the show could've gone with for why Kagami hid the truth from everyone (friendship, hope for rehabilitation, fear of consequences, saving it for Tsurugi's next birthday), they went with none of them. Kagami shrugs his shoulders at why he kept it to himself, and mostly hangs Tsurugi out to dry. That's the part I had a problem with. Quote:
My take on why Tsurugi had to be killed is that as a Worm he has killed at least two people - the real Tsurugi and his sister. While Hiyori and Tadokoro as far as we know never hurt anybody. So Tsurugi was more or less sentenced to death for murder like all the other Worms that killed somebody. But that's just my take on the matter.
I mean, I'm not disagreeing with what you're pointing out, but it's something that eliminates so much nuance of the situation, as well as ignoring Tsurugi's pain and humanity, that it's tough for me to view it as anything more than a cop-out.
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01-27-2021, 11:51 PM | #815 |
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My take on why Tsurugi had to be killed is that as a Worm he has killed at least two people - the real Tsurugi and his sister. While Hiyori and Tadokoro as far as we know never hurt anybody. So Tsurugi was more or less sentenced to death for murder like all the other Worms that killed somebody. But that's just my take on the matter.
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01-27-2021, 11:57 PM | #816 |
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My take take has always been that Tsurugi was putting on an act and was fully in control with none of the worm influencing his actions to ensure that as many worm were killed as possible before committing suicide by Rider and Tendou had a hunch hence his hesitation once the hyper zecter is broken out. but at the same time Tendou can't be absolutely sure this is the case is prepared to kill him. With my assumption being that considering something he does later on and his protection of Hiyori if Tsurugi was willing to continue living as a human he would try ensure it happened, but when it became clear he wasn't willing to live as a worm beyond this he reluctantly did the deed that was his worst case scenario. Especially considering we have no clue in his attempts to provoke Tendou into killing him if he would of attacked Misaki.
Regarding Kagami I always felt that he was attempting to save face while being unable to articulate the actual reasons why he never told anyone, as if he was able to articulate them he would of brought it up. |
01-28-2021, 12:51 AM | #817 |
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KAMEN RIDER KABUTO - EPISODE 47
So, let me start off with the one thing I really liked from this episode. Kabuto’s blowing up Worm Detectors, and ZECT has sentenced him to death. (Because this is now permanently a series where people sentence other people to death.) (Last one, I promise.) Kagami has been given the duty to take Tendou out, and he accepts. Misaki, furious, wants to know how Kagami could possibly agree to kill Tendou. Kagami says that he’s doing this because he believes that he’s the only one who could resolve this situation without killing Tendou. If Kagami goes to him as a friend, he can get Tendou to tell him what he’s up to, what the real plan is. Kagami is taking this job because he knows he can defuse the situation. It’s a very nice touch. It’s not Kagami being conflicted, torn between his friendship and his responsibility. It’s Kagami knowing Tendou well enough to know that there’s some multi-level plot that’s just kicking off, and it’s time to find out what it is. It’s genre-savvy, but it also speaks to their friendship, how they’ve changed and grown over the last four dozen episodes. This isn’t Episode 3 or something, where Tendou acts like a superior asshole and needlessly escalates situations because he doesn’t trust the people around him and plots are mostly just waiting for all of Tendou’s actions to be given the proper context… … … ...okay that’s exactly what’s happening here. I guess the tip-off should’ve been the flashback to the meteor strike of 1999, maybe? This is an episode that feels weirdly, frustratingly regressive. There’s even a scene where the ZECT In A Van team meets in an empty office! And Tendou poses with his Zecter while backlit by a blazing sun! It’s definitely trying to evoke the early episodes, but I really wish they’d opted to keep those references to a surface level. Just, man, Tendou is back to being his opaque, obstinate self, and I am grinding my teeth in frustration. We’re left with a conclusion to this episode where Tendou either has a long-term plan he’s not letting his friends in on (which is something this show largely grew out of a dozen episodes ago), or he’s just being a mercurial prick that gets Renge shot. I don’t love either of those choices! Those are both bad plots to follow through on! It’s not a fun feeling, to watch an episode like this. There are only two more Kabutos left after this one, and that’s it forever. You want to feel like everything that’s happened has weight, that the journey you’ve been on with these characters has forged them into heroes that are finally equal to the task of saving the world. Instead, I feel like none of it has mattered? Literally everything in this story could’ve taken place in the first ten episodes, character-wise. (I mean, we’ve got more powerups, but that isn’t really the sort of progress I’m looking for.) Tendou and Kagami share basically no screentime, and when they do, Tendou’s being a dismissive asshole. The Worms are as disorganized and character-less as ever. There’s a sweet scene of Tendou and Hiyori cooking, but it feels like you could’ve done this one right after the flower show episodes. (Also, Hiyori was briefly hospitalized after being attacked by Another Tendou, and it’s never brought up once. Amazing!) It… nothing in this episode felt like I needed to watch anything after the first two. Like, I could’ve skipped the last forty-four episodes, and probably been almost entirely unsurprised by what happened here. (Another Tendou would’ve been a bit of a question mark, but he doesn’t do more than have an admittedly cool fight with Kabuto, and then get snapped up by Goro. There’s no character work done with him.) If anything, I'd've probably liked this episode more, because it'd've felt like I hadn't missed a single story beat. That feels not great! Everything in this episode felt like a gigantic reset, and it bummed the hell out of me. I was looking for a sense of all these episodes being worth something to the characters, a journey that’s reaching its conclusion. Instead, it’s a bunch of characters acting like nothing that important happened in the last year, and that sucks. Hoping things turn out better next time! A QUESTION At least Clock Up is back! The Kabuto/Dark Kabuto fight is genuinely great, with an emphasis on tactical combat and predicting your opponent. It’s not visualized super great (it’s both Tendous thinking of what they’re going to do in words instead of in actions), but it’s tense in a way that not every fight gets to be. How’d you like this fight? Too short? Just right?
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01-28-2021, 02:04 AM | #818 |
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My favorite part of this episode happened near the start, where Tendou has dusted off his routine of bringing in food to La Salle and demanding that Hiyori cook it for him. Hiyori immediately complains. Like you said, it's definitely a throwback to earlier Kabuto, but it's a specific character dynamic that's been absent since Hiyori originally left and it's so good to see them back together again, Tendou being an arrogant jerk and Hiyori passive aggressively snarking at him. I have missed this so much.
I agree about Kagami and Tendou. It's nice that Kagami knows Tendou well enough to give him the benefit of the doubt, but really frustrating that Tendou isn't willing to let Kagami in on what he's planning. It really does feel more like their early dynamic, just with the addition of Kagami having the Gatack powers. I do remember the Kabutos fight from my first time through the series, specifically the bit where Tendou is able to predict what Another Tendou would do because it's something he would think of. The fight didn't take place where I thought it did, though. I was sure that this confrontation happened in or around the vague pocket dimension Hiyori was living in when her actress wasn't available. I may be thinking of something from the next two episodes, but I'm pretty sure this was the fight. At any rate, this episode has me very excited for the next one. Not because of anything that Tendou or Kagami do, but because the plot is going to give me a chance to discuss where this whole necklace plot originally came from and how it played out back in the day: long, long ago, 20th Century. |
01-28-2021, 03:56 AM | #819 |
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I think it’s semi hilarious that in this episode, Tendou commits mass acts of terrorism and is declared appropriately dangerous, yet the one the fandom remembers as a criminal is Kenzaki, because of that whole shoplifting news report (then again,t hey also gloss over that Decade’s actions in his second full episode alone would get him 22 years in jail, according to a professional lawyer). Though then, again his is the fandom that holds up Ex-Aid as an example of doing teamwork better than Super Sentai (Ex-Aid, the show where the Riders outright loathe each other and spend more time trying to outdo each other than help each other) and dismiss Gaim as a Ryuki rehash while ignoring that Ex-Aid has even more in common with Ryuki (naive main rider, Knight-themed secondary with a dead girlfriend, asshole with a gun and a more affable assistant as the tertiary, black copy of the main rider, intimidating antagonist who kills other Riders and steals their gear, final boss with time-related powers) and does even less differently than Gaim does.
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01-28-2021, 08:20 AM | #820 |
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I think it’s semi hilarious that in this episode, Tendou commits mass acts of terrorism and is declared appropriately dangerous, yet the one the fandom remembers as a criminal is Kenzaki, because of that whole shoplifting news report (then again,t hey also gloss over that Decade’s actions in his second full episode alone would get him 22 years in jail, according to a professional lawyer). Though then, again his is the fandom that holds up Ex-Aid as an example of doing teamwork better than Super Sentai (Ex-Aid, the show where the Riders outright loathe each other and spend more time trying to outdo each other than help each other) and dismiss Gaim as a Ryuki rehash while ignoring that Ex-Aid has even more in common with Ryuki (naive main rider, Knight-themed secondary with a dead girlfriend, asshole with a gun and a more affable assistant as the tertiary, black copy of the main rider, intimidating antagonist who kills other Riders and steals their gear, final boss with time-related powers) and does even less differently than Gaim does.
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