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06-17-2020, 02:34 PM | #731 |
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Sounds like someone's hating on Infinity, the best Wizard design, no I am not taking questions at this time.
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06-17-2020, 02:36 PM | #732 |
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Just think how boring this fandom would be if everyone had the same opinions! These angry feelings are how you know you're alive! You are very welcome!
(I'm honestly a little afraid that my next random comment about my likes and dislikes is going to trigger, like, Burning Kurona.) Shining's way cooler.
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06-17-2020, 02:42 PM | #733 |
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My hope was that we'd eventually get to Shining after Burning. Like, I'd say something about which Cross-Z design I like best and you'd get so furious that you'd become Burning Kurona. Then, the clouds would part, you'd remember that Kurona Is Kurona, and bam, Shining Kurona. Then I'd be detonated for thinking wrong things.
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06-17-2020, 02:43 PM | #734 |
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No, I meant Ghost's final form. I had to look up what it's called and Google said "Infinity." The wiki apparently just calls it "Mugen Damashii," though, which feels very TV-Nihon. I legitimately cannot remember what the fansubs I watched called it.
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06-17-2020, 03:08 PM | #735 |
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06-17-2020, 03:22 PM | #736 |
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Sometimes, this thread is just the best.
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Yuuji finally getting Takumi into his be---
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Adding in the But Maybe He Murdered stuff… it’s gilding the lily. It’s unnecessary.
A. There can't be any legitimate reason to be scared of Takumi, because that would inevitably justify his self-loathing, and undermine the entire point of the story being told. B. There has to be a bigger thing to drive a wedge between Takumi and his friends, or else the plot risks either losing the heightened, melodramatic tension that characterizes the series, or, even worse, making the characters look completely heartless in an attempt to get the tone there anyway. Now, the solution Inoue arrived at was naturally to give the characters a legitimate reason to be scared of Takumi, but make it a lie. There's no denying how heavy-handed this is, and if you're arguing from the perspective there was no need for any of this to begin with, fair enough. Inoue seems to enjoy writing himself into and out of corners so much his business card probably reads "Writer/Escape Artist". It's not a great habit, and there probably was a way to avoid getting into this scenario. I still feel there's some worthwhile material in it though. It becomes less about how the audience perceives the information (I'd be shocked to find a child watching who wasn't just waiting for Takkun to be Faiz again), and more about how the characters themselves react. Showing Takumi being this willing to believe he murdered people, especially, is exploring his character in an interesting way, I think. The whole incident, it serves to flare up tensions that don't magically go away when the matter is resolved. Again, going back to Takumi, he still hasn't accepted himself even by the end of this episode, because this entire experience has driven him that much deeper into his belief he's destined to end up hurting people. Is it forced and shaky? Definitely at least a little! But the worst possible thing happening at the worst possible time is Faiz's kind of storytelling, and I think at least much worked about this plotline as it didn't. I agree on the whole the Ryuusei School stuff is by far the least interesting material in the series, but good things come out of it sometimes, and this is one of them, in my opinion. Quote:
Mari’s part in the fight was weird, with her continuously trying to activate the Faiz Gear despite it never ever working for her. At first, I’m like, Why is she still trying? But then I remembered that, as a Ryusei School alumnus (“Go Meteors!”), she will keep getting shocked by the belt forever and never stop trying to use it. Like everyone who went to that school, she doesn’t understand that pain is how we learn not to do things. It’s like Orphan Daddy always said, “You can’t spell ‘Ryusei School’ without ‘OUCH’!”
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06-17-2020, 03:32 PM | #737 |
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(Ghost Mugen... I'm not the biggest fan, but it's grown on me, design-wise.)
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06-17-2020, 03:40 PM | #738 |
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Yeah, it's not that it's hard for me because it happens to Mari, it's that the visual of Kusaka slapping Mari in the middle of an argument that takes place in their living room is a loaded visual. That type of story element... they are opening a door to some incredibly difficult storytelling that I don't think they want to walk through.
I mean, I don't know how much more I can say about this. When I see Kusaka hit Mari in the middle of an argument, it takes me out of a TV show where men in colorful suits punch monsters. It so far removed, for me, from the sort of allegorical storytelling that allows for relatively consequence-free violence and peril. This is... it is an order of magnitude larger than the usual Kusaka Is Terrible. There isn't enough distance for me to be able to view it as a story. The can of worms that they've opened! And, again, as always, I don't know. It is super subjective! I just got a real tough time watching this show try and add regular-world evil to the cartoony evil they normally traffic in. These things aren't apples-to-apples substitutions. Quote:
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And, man, this is a little bit of a Thank You But I Wanted More episode, because holy shit Mari and Rina simultaneously putting on the Delta and Faiz Gear?! I absolutely gasped in excitement. I was so happy with Mihara’s weird I Don’t Want To Go To School Today tantrum, where he fakes a debilitating injury so he doesn’t have to be Delta again, that I wasn’t even prepared to see Rina be all gung-ho and show up to the fight herself. And Mari! Throwing on that belt, ready to do her part.
But yeah, this moment is just to show another proof of unfairness with females unable to henshin. But for this series, non-Orphnoch can't henshin. Like Keitaro too for Faiz. So it's not about gender but it's about which species you are. Though dunno what's wrong with Rina that she has worse showings as Delta than even Mihara (in previous episode, compared to Takumi). For Mari part it's nothing more than determination.
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06-17-2020, 04:06 PM | #739 |
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This franchise is pretty amazing!
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There has to be a bigger thing to drive a wedge between Takumi and his friends, or else the plot risks either losing the heightened, melodramatic tension that characterizes the series, or, even worse, making the characters look completely heartless in an attempt to get the tone there anyway.
It was already compelling, because all of the prejudices and assumptions have been baked into the show and now they're bearing fruit; and heightened, because the star of the show just turned into a wolfman. Having a murder mystery on top of that... I don't know that it increased the tension so much as it diffused the focus. Quote:
No, bad Die! Don't you dare go dissing Mari for this! Moments like these are why she's my favorite Rider heroine ever. The fact that she specifically tries using the Faiz Gear twice here knowing it won't work even before the first attempt is pure, reckless, irrational heroism, and I love it. How active she is. Yeah, there's no way that was going to end well, but there's also no way that'd stop her from trying.
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06-17-2020, 04:17 PM | #740 |
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So it's not that the mystery genre is a bad one to you that it's the execution here? Or what... dunno I seem want to know about this, as previously you only tolerate if a mystery part is like this (ex: all questions having same answer and only in 1-2 episodes) which still kind of denying the genre.
The Rina part is what bothered me. (The Mari part was pretty charming for its indefatigable heroism. Don't tell Fish Sandwich!) Every other Ryusei kid got to kick ass with the Delta Gear, and she got beat immediately. The show couldn't let her get in one good punch?!
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