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08-08-2012, 10:10 PM | #1 |
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The saga of Kamen Rider Ryuki comes to a close! Well, the TV series that is. Will Akiyama save Ogawa Eri? Will Shinji make his wish come to fruition? Will Asakura settle the score with Kitaoka?
Does Kanzaki Shiro have any heart left, left to even listen to his sister? Join us to discuss the conclusion of the Kamen Rider Ryuki TV series!
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08-08-2012, 10:26 PM | #2 |
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Alright we finally get to discuss this! I thought the ending was better than both the movie(ep: Final) and 13 Riders. I take it the TV series ending is the canonical ending. It was a melancholy and sad conclusion. I was SHOCKED Shinji died, I did not expect that to happen at all!. Surprised to see how Akiyama and Odin's last fight turned out. If not for Yui I think Ren would be dead.
It was disappointing to not see Asakura and Kitaoka have one last go at it however I think this was the writers' way of throwing fans for a loop. Also I was expecting more from Magna Giga. Genocyder...ate the guy... I can't help but WANT the Riders to all remember what happened...there is a hint that at least Shinji and Akiyama know something is up, as it is very awkward when they meet at the end at Tea Atori. If anything the last episode was very symbolic, you have to watch it from beginning to end to get all the symbolism. I had to rewind quite a bit to fully understand WTF was happening. Definitely wasn't a typical ending, and everything wasn't directly stated. However, as confusing as it was, I thought it was a well directed and written episode. It definitely got me thinking and to me, was a great ending.
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08-08-2012, 10:35 PM | #3 |
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I liked how they played out the last 10 minutes, but loathed what it was doing. All you know is there's still many more takes left before they break the chain, though I like to see that montage at the end.
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I actually adore the ending to this series. It does everything right that I've always wanted out of a rider show. Shinji's death was incredibly powerful. The wide-eyed heartfelt kid who just wanted to stop the fighting lost his life fighting and finally humanized Ren in a way that I wouldn't have thought possible.
Ren, my god Ren. After everything he's done and seen, for him to become the person he is by the final episode is beautiful. Watching Shinji die in his arms was painful that's for certain. And seeing him truly be outclassed by Odin in every way just goes to show that Kanzaki would not have begun the battle without the absolute assurance that his rider would win. Odins' existence is proof that Kanzaki had total control even if we didn't always think he did. I actually love that the sort of fated Ouja/Zolda fight didn't happen. Kitaokas' death was great and subtle and I thought it was incredibly powerful that Goro took his place as zolda in the final fight. Ouja thought he finally obtained his victory only to find out that he had been completely bested. Ouja really came out as the best and most interesting character of the series. His death was the most interesting and, to me, the most tragic. I can't even begin to express how much this series as a whole is good. It just grabs you and doesn't really let go aside from a few less than spectacular extra riders (looking at you Gai, Tiger, Imperor)
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I actually adore the ending to this series. It does everything right that I've always wanted out of a rider show. Shinji's death was incredibly powerful. The wide-eyed heartfelt kid who just wanted to stop the fighting lost his life fighting and finally humanized Ren in a way that I wouldn't have thought possible.
Ren, my god Ren. After everything he's done and seen, for him to become the person he is by the final episode is beautiful. Watching Shinji die in his arms was painful that's for certain. And seeing him truly be outclassed by Odin in every way just goes to show that Kanzaki would not have begun the battle without the absolute assurance that his rider would win. Odins' existence is proof that Kanzaki had total control even if we didn't always think he did. I actually love that the sort of fated Ouja/Zolda fight didn't happen. Kitaokas' death was great and subtle and I thought it was incredibly powerful that Goro took his place as zolda in the final fight. Ouja thought he finally obtained his victory only to find out that he had been completely bested. Ouja really came out as the best and most interesting character of the series. His death was the most interesting and, to me, the most tragic. I can't even begin to express how much this series as a whole is good. It just grabs you and doesn't really let go aside from a few less than spectacular extra riders (looking at you Gai, Tiger, Imperor) When fighting with Odin, when Kanzaki finally gave in to Yui and Odin went haywire, you can tell Ren knew he didn't have any advantage over Odin but that he was striking Odin with all the power he had left for the final blow. It was as if Ren knew he himself was going to die but decided to fight not only for Eri, but for Shinji in the end. I have to say too, the impact Shinji's death had on Ren was unexpected, yet perfectly timed. Kudos to the screenwriters for that one. It also showed that Takamasa Suga did an incredible job portraying Shinji, especially his last words before he died in Ren's arms. Just so sad. It was cool to see Goro as Zolda, I just wish it happened earlier so that we could see Goro fleshed out as Zolda more, see what made him different as Kitaoka when Zolda. I was just hoping Kitaoka would be the one to take Asakura out, as both had a grudge against each other throughout the series. However, it was neat that Kitaoka technically had the last laugh; he knew Asakura wanted to kill him but he didn't give him the opportunity. Hell, he didn't even care, he even said himself that he lived a fine life and didn't really think the Rider War was necessary anymore. It was cool to see how everything turned up in the end, Toujo running into Shinji on accident, Megumi and Shimada still somewhat antagonistic towards each other, Tezuka showing up to say his predictions are always right, Yui's grandma showing up to say her predictions are always right, and Ren and Shinji's "reunion" at Tea Atori. I was happy to see all of them alright.
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08-08-2012, 10:51 PM | #6 |
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I decided to rewatch the last 10 minutes. It's been a year since I last saw it, but something about that scene of them with their child selfs still just gets me. Maybe it's just in the way I relate myself to the characters, and knowing the story is just starting.
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It seemed like they recaptured the innocence they lost when Yui died and Kanzaki made the decision to let her double take over. It was pretty warming too, because Kanzaki Shirou finally realized how wrong his plan was, and though Yui knew his intent, she knew it was wrong too and decided to reverse it.
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To my knowledge, I think Shinji is the first titular Kamen Rider to die and more interestingly for it to be an out-of-suit death. Ren's reaction to Shinji dying in his arms was so strong and powerful that it made up for what an ass he was for most of the series.
Asakura's final stand was a little strange. Being cheated out of killing a man he had become obsessed with pushed him over the edge...truly a vexed individual. In the end...I dunno. Would it have been better without the reset? It would have been dark as hell but I think it would have further cemented Ryuki's reputation as one of the most unique Rider series of this generation. In hindsight I can more or less see why this show did not do well over in Japan especially with its target demographic being kids. The stories were rather dark, the main villain being Kanzaki Shirou wasn't a dude with a special form or the "ultimate badass" type character, maybe too much focus was placed on the secret between Yui and Kanzaki....In a way, this show is up there with GARO in terms of mature storytelling. I mean even Imperer's death was pretty fucked up in that scene where his fiancee is waiting for him not knowing he had become a notch on Asakura's belt. This was the series that got me back into Toku. The X or Highlander of the Kamen Rider franchise. |
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On the subject of Asakura who is in my mind the greatest Villain in Heisei Rider mythos, I loved how the writers really pulled no punches in portraying him as utter scum.
Killing his own family in a fire, playing a traumatized scarred victim just to bait his brother to finish the job (Seriously...What the fuck?), destroying a talented pianist's career murdering Raia, murdering Gai, using a young girl as bait for his Mirror Monster hunt, murdering Imperer...And yet I find it hilarious that this guy could have a seat with Kitaoka and Ren to collectively mock Shinji. Also he seemed to like offering people food. Maybe because he doesn't like the idea of people going hungry. Strange character trait for a pure psychopath. He was Kanzaki's ringer, the guy Kanzaki could rely on to thin the herd which was why his deck was rigged with three contract cards. Survive? Who needs Survive when you've got Unite! I love how they never bothered to give him a clearly defined objective or wish. He was there for the carnage. And I love him for it. |
08-09-2012, 12:07 AM | #10 |
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I like Ryuki's ending. I think a lot of the plot lines are closed up nicely and you guys have already made all the good points about why the ending works. I do like having some of the other versions of the ending around, but the series one is definitely my favorite (even if it's tragically lacking in Miho). |
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