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08-29-2021, 08:45 AM | #1 |
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Connect your feelings to the future! Excuse me if I just copy/pasted my thoughts on Twitter. I really just went ahead, so that I don't forget. Also by the time I post this, I slept lol. Let's start with this. I don't hate it! In fact, I was very much okay with it for the most part. There are some GLARING issues that screwed with me for a bit and I'll explain later, but I did just go with it and enjoyed it for the most part. Takeru got only from meh to OK for me. He's got a few good moments, but it's a bit difficult to get with him at times. Really, it's a bit hard to buy his "Wah, I'm a Ghost!" schtick, but it's not really a point where I disliked him. I did, however, watched the movies he was in so in-show Takeru was kinda whiplash. But it did make appreciate him more. Ghost really shined for me with Makoto and Alain. Alain's got a great arc, altho he does kinda lose too much for my liking, I still love him anyway. I like Makoto, especially on his first episodes, a neat rival to Takeru. Though, his thing with the Makoto clones dragged a bit. But I think that's fine, considering his V-cinema and all. Tho, the experience for others was probably odd unlike me who binged Ghost. The side characters, well, they're there, I suppose. I never really got to like any of them, except Edith, Aoi Yuu- I mean Yurusen, and Onari. They didn't do much for me, Onari gave me a few bits of chuckles though and it's always great when he's actually played in a serious scene. Akari was really annoying at the start with her 'muh science' stuff but oh well. I loved Onari's scenes with Javert, and it makes me appreciate Javert's appearance in Saber x Ghost all the more. Was nice to have Javert go from a chained warrior to a free man, able to let loose and be similar to Onari. Now, let's go with the villains. DID NOT like them, oh god. Except when it was Alain it cool. Adel, Igor, and the Ganmaizers infuriate me so much. It's baffling that Igor and Adel stay around the show so much and basically amounted to nothing! Igor could've been killed early on and have someone else do the stuff. He does nothing, really. Adel and the Ganmaizers are terrible. Just terrible. Boring, uncharimastic, petulant, did not deserve how he went out. He should've been dead in the 30s and have the Ganmaizers take over. The Ganmaizers are such gorgeous suits that's completely wasted on a waste like Adel. The Ganmaizers look amazing, they probably should have been a team and gain sentience early on and have individual personalities that contrast Takeru's thing with the 13 eyecons and the other riders. But no, all of them share Adel's voice mostly and say the same thing. And then Adel gets replaced by the Great Eye at the end anyway. I don't think he really deserved that final scene with him. The Great Eye's repaint suit takes the final villain slot anyways and it's SUCH a weird ending. I don't know what to make of it, really. Genm's there, that's neat. Going back, to keep it positive, I mostly cared to what the protagonists were doing, so, I got mad about Adel a few times, but I was mostly in it for the three riders, so, it was a little fine. I think I'll still have some fond memories of Ghost. I still enjoyed it whenever it's someone's character moment and then that rider or the main three transform, I still got smiles on my face anyway. Ghost is... Pretty Okay! Should I recommend it? Honestly, I'd say if you could give it the time and effort to put up with it, sure! It's still an experience I'd say. One of my other purposes for watching Ghost was because I was enamored with Saber. Hah, thought I won't talk about Saber? I wanted to compare notes. I grew somewhat of an appreciation and a little bit of respect for Fukuda, tho I think he should really sit down and write his shows. I wanted to check out his previous work. Uhh, is it obvious I'd put Saber higher than Ghost? Called it bias, I suppose but I had a lot more enjoyment out of Saber than I did Ghost. Maybe it's the watching method, maybe I wasn't 'there' when Ghost aired like I did, but I just do. That doesn't mean I belittle Ghost, nah, I'll still like it in the end. I'd still have a share of fond memories. Feels like a weight's been lifted. Not a "Finally, Ghost's done!" kinda weight. More like a "I finally got to see Ghost!" Initially, I avoided Ghost because young me was so engorged with Drive's ending that I didn't want to get to Ghost and then have my happy memories be replaced with Ghost. Add that up to me reading some not so nice stuff about Ghost. But it's nice that I finally got around to it. Now, uhh I think that Grateful Damashii SHF is kinda looking shiny... |
08-29-2021, 08:58 AM | #2 |
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Glad you found enjoyment in it overall! Sounds like you mostly loved Alain?
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08-29-2021, 09:38 AM | #3 |
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Always cool to see somebody finding enjoyment in Ghost! (And in this case, it's even one more thing I can thank Saber for, to boot! )
I will say one thing though, and I've been saying it for years, but I straight up adore Adel as a main villain. He's up there with Daguva for me in terms of guys who are just *perfectly* constructed to contrast the hero, and particular to Ghost, I will never, ever forget the emotional impact of seeing Takeru defeat the big bad guy in the end by giving him a hug and telling him he's loved. The downside to that characterization of course being that he's also deliberately kind of hollow in an evil overlord role, which means he's got a different kind of energy to him that won't be to everybody's tastes. Which it sounds like you learned the hard way. But I seriously don't think Ghost could've had any other sort of main villain and still have been Ghost, you know?
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08-29-2021, 12:12 PM | #4 |
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Of the villains, what I’m liking the most right now is the element of Deep Connect. In a series about the importance of genuine human connection on a spiritual level; having the villains force connection through a corporation’s glorified social media app; and at that operated out of an old church they bought??? Mwah. Love it. PERFECT.
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08-29-2021, 03:32 PM | #5 |
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But a lot of people call his second 99 days a deus ex machina or consider it to be a good thing for him without any bad consequences at all. And that is completely untrue. He may get more time, a shiny new form, but all of that, as Edith very explicitly points out, comes with the heavy risk of what Ryu is willing to sacrifice. He can't stake his life since he's already dead, so he stakes his afterlife on Takeru's revival! From that moment, Takeru has an obligation to revive, or his father would lose literally everything of himself. That's a lot of pressure! Takeru experiences the partial destruction of his own soul later in Episode 33 and it's only thanks to his friends' wishes that save him. Even though his show only lasts 6 months in-universe, he's been through a lot. So when I think of who is my favorite Primary Rider, who is the most heroic, selfless and brave, I immediately think of Takeru. The infinite potential of humanity isn't something to be taken lightly. Quote:
Adel and the Ganmaizers are terrible. Just terrible. Boring, uncharimastic, petulant, did not deserve how he went out. He should've been dead in the 30s and have the Ganmaizers take over.
The Ganmaizers are such gorgeous suits that's completely wasted on a waste like Adel. The Ganmaizers look amazing, they probably should have been a team and gain sentience early on and have individual personalities that contrast Takeru's thing with the 13 eyecons and the other riders. But no, all of them share Adel's voice mostly and say the same thing. And then Adel gets replaced by the Great Eye at the end anyway. I don't think he really deserved that final scene with him. The Great Eye's repaint suit takes the final villain slot anyways and it's SUCH a weird ending. I don't know what to make of it, really. Genm's there, that's neat. Adel's redemption isn't even about whether or not he deserves it. After he killed his own father and confessed to killing Takeru's father, I also thought he couldn't be redeemed. Even Onari, the best moral support in the show, has a crisis of faith due to the severity of his crimes. But Takeru takes the lessons of the Heroic Eyecons to heart and believes that he can still reach Adel. The fact that he's able to forgive him means Onari is able to forgive him and honestly, I kind of wanted to forgive him as well, for no other reason than Takeru believed it was possible. It just shows that he's a really great guy!
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08-29-2021, 04:32 PM | #6 |
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I don't think I'd call Takeru my out and out favourite main rider, but I think he has jumped into my top 5? ... probably. It's a category with a LOT of strong contenders is the thing; it's a bit hard to say!
Point is he's a main character I've come to love a lot between what SH Ranger is outlining and his very staunch connection to life. There's a lot of wonderful moments of vulnerability too; such as early on in the Edison episode where he's really contemplating what being a ghost means for him, and in the Toucon episode where he's slowly breaking down in the lead-up to his death. A lot of this is owed to his actor's excellent performance and he's a wonderfully human character by the end of it all
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08-29-2021, 07:46 PM | #7 |
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But the whole philosophy of Adel and the Ganmaizers was that individuality is stupid and all life should be assimilated in to a single perfect consciousness. So for the Ganmaizers to all think and talk the same is a deliberate contrast to the 15 (not 13) Heroic Eyecons, who had very different ambitions in their time, but they believed passionately in those ambitions and dedicated their lives to accomplishing them. It could've been handled better, is all I'd say I think. I may have liked the end part about his family and realizing his mistakes when he didn't take over the show as the antagonist for the most of it. It was either he goes away early or he's introduced much, much later. Quote:
I don't think I'd call Takeru my out and out favourite main rider, but I think he has jumped into my top 5? ... probably. It's a category with a LOT of strong contenders is the thing; it's a bit hard to say!
Point is he's a main character I've come to love a lot between what SH Ranger is outlining and his very staunch connection to life. There's a lot of wonderful moments of vulnerability too; such as early on in the Edison episode where he's really contemplating what being a ghost means for him, and in the Toucon episode where he's slowly breaking down in the lead-up to his death. A lot of this is owed to his actor's excellent performance and he's a wonderfully human character by the end of it all Maybe I was looking for a little more weight to it. I love the idea of the main rider dying and becoming a Ghost through the show's course, him dealing with the idea he might cease to exist from his friends and family much much early. I did hear about the original ideas of Ghost being a much darker show. With how he was presented in Surprise Future, and him being more Ghost-like. I would have loved that take. He's a lot similar to Touma now that I think about it. Selfless, self-sacrificing hero with a genuine smile, tied to a pre-determined conclusion of they keep doing what they do. And I think that's cool that they have their similarities, I would love more interactions between Takeru and Touma. But something clicked with Touma that didn't with Takeru. Maybe it's the fantasy theme, maybe because I have a Saber flag waving around, but that's what I thought. Takeru was beaten down emotionally and mentally over his schtick as a Ghost, it affected his friends and family too. I can't explain it thoroughly, but maybe we should've had even more moments of Takeru just breaking down, more of him stop existing to his friends (I liked those parts), and just struggling with his physicality. It's also why I liked the first arc, he struggles with his own goal with Makoto's, it was burdening his close ones as well when he would stop showing up, where they don't even know if he was in the same room. That was great! Touma is similar to that. We start with him beating the bad guys, gaining new allies and friends, and then it all gets torn apart when Kento starts acting up, when he caused a misunderstanding with the SOL and gets ousted. Yuri literally planning to use him as a sacrifice to save the world. He's beaten down physically, mentally, and philosophically. He stops spouting about promises right after Calibur is revealed to be Kento. He switched from "Yakusoku" to "Kanarazu". But enough about compare/contrasting. I want to talk about the other stuff. The suits are GORGEOUS and are handled beautifully for a good while! The parka change is a great way of form changing and a little more pleasing on the eyes than, say, Ex-Aid's levels and Saber's Wonder Riders. Tho, DragonHedgePeter is still cool. Love that it shows up in SHS. And they don't go away! Takeru receives Toucon boost and then he still keeps form changing! The individual Parkas get their own physical suits to fight in instead of CGI Parka, it's great! Necrom is one of my favorites alongside Mugen and Grateful. I don't want to keep it long, but I love the colors and both those three's shoulders. My only complaint, and Deep Specter shares this, is the material. Seeing the glossy foil-like material used for their parkas start wrinkling, it's not a good sight! Go Sakabe is great as always, it's a satisfying moment when the choir starts singing for Takeru's theme song. There are some weird edits, though, like Necrom's theme playing as he gets beaten down and not have a big moment, but the music isolated is great. I love Aoi Yuuki, I don't typically talk about VAs often in anywhere. But Aoi Yuuki is one of my favorites. Maybe there were other ventures that I'm not aware of, but my first venture with her was as Madoka in, well, Madoka Magica and I loved there. Then it was Tanya Degurechaff, then Froppy from MHA, then some I can't name bcuz small brain but some commercials here and there, and then to Hibiki from Symphogear. I know how Aoi Yuuki sounds, I know how Yurusen sounds, but I didn't know the two were in the same until around the 10s of Ghost. And now I love Yurusen, and it was such a whiplash for me that Aoi- I mean Yurusen was a cat all along! |
08-31-2021, 03:28 PM | #8 |
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Takeru got only from meh to OK for me. He's got a few good moments, but it's a bit difficult to get with him at times. Really, it's a bit hard to buy his "Wah, I'm a Ghost!" schtick, but it's not really a point where I disliked him. I did, however, watched the movies he was in so in-show Takeru was kinda whiplash. But it did make appreciate him more.
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Ghost really shined for me with Makoto and Alain. Alain's got a great arc, altho he does kinda lose too much for my liking, I still love him anyway.
I like Makoto, especially on his first episodes, a neat rival to Takeru. Though, his thing with the Makoto clones dragged a bit. But I think that's fine, considering his V-cinema and all. Tho, the experience for others was probably odd unlike me who binged Ghost. Quote:
The side characters, well, they're there, I suppose. I never really got to like any of them, except Edith, Aoi Yuu- I mean Yurusen, and Onari.
They didn't do much for me, Onari gave me a few bits of chuckles though and it's always great when he's actually played in a serious scene. Akari was really annoying at the start with her 'muh science' stuff but oh well. I loved Onari's scenes with Javert, and it makes me appreciate Javert's appearance in Saber x Ghost all the more. Was nice to have Javert go from a chained warrior to a free man, able to let loose and be similar to Onari. Quote:
Now, let's go with the villains.
DID NOT like them, oh god. Except when it was Alain it cool. Adel, Igor, and the Ganmaizers infuriate me so much. It's baffling that Igor and Adel stay around the show so much and basically amounted to nothing! Igor could've been killed early on and have someone else do the stuff. He does nothing, really.
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09-01-2021, 04:56 AM | #9 |
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I wonder how would you compare the other protagonists (except Takumi, Tendou, and Tsukasa.. sorry) against Takeru, as iirc I saw less of the complaints about them as they're similar type of Takeru. The one that would've got more complaints, again iirc is Touma... which happens to have Ghost writer involved in Saber iirc.
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How about Akari? She can be too annoying at the first few of episodes (including to me), but she's one of the most useful non-Riders to directly involve herself and get inventions that solve their problems. Though yeah.. being scientist, this'd be expected, and it'd be unfair to bash on civilian characters who aren't scientists (or fighters) as useless, either this series or not. |
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