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01-05-2012, 05:42 PM | #1 |
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http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2...merica-in-2012
This kind of sucks. Here's an article written about it: http://kotaku.com/5873128/from-fanta...ent-mainstream Not sure if I agree with everything in the article (as far as the "why's" go), but it's an interesting read.
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01-06-2012, 06:17 PM | #2 |
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Very interesting read.
For me, the only time I get fansubbed anime is when it hasn't been released here, or won't be released here. Macross 7, Macross Zero, and Macross Frontier, are perfect examples of this. If it has been released here, I'll buy the DVD/Blu-Ray. Also I remember the days when Project A-Ko came out. That's back when I was in college (dating myself here). The dubbing was HORRIBLE! The horrible dubbing of that, and other shows made me a subtitle person only. If it's dubbed, I won't watch it.
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01-07-2012, 07:04 PM | #3 |
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It sucks that they went under, but I can't say I'm surprised. Their business model just didn't work for the US market, especially during this down economy. Even though I love a lot of their stuff, I have no interest in paying $20-30 for 4 episodes. Give me reasonably priced, say $40-50 full seasons, or ad-supported streams. We are at a crossroads in the media industry in general, it's just hit anime first. If I remember correctly, I think I read that Bandai Japan was actually charging Bandai US to license their stuff. Really, the way that company is run seems so backwards.
Sorry to all those who lost their jobs. Also, sorry to all the fans of the stuff that's no longer going to make it out here. Personally, I'm really sad that we still aren't going to see Turn A in the US. Hope everything works itself out. Last edited by yami4ct; 01-07-2012 at 07:25 PM.. |
01-07-2012, 07:23 PM | #4 |
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I do download anime sometimes, but usually it's because it has no planned release here, or it's DVDs I don't have money for, like yami4ct mentioned, I don't want to have to pay $30 for a few episodes either, but series such as Transformers Headmasters which just got released here, I'll buy that, it's a decent price, and I was also planning on buying Turn A Gundam's DVDs. I also watch anime on Hulu alot.
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01-10-2012, 05:47 AM | #5 |
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Very interesting read.
For me, the only time I get fansubbed anime is when it hasn't been released here, or won't be released here. Macross 7, Macross Zero, and Macross Frontier, are perfect examples of this. If it has been released here, I'll buy the DVD/Blu-Ray. Also I remember the days when Project A-Ko came out. That's back when I was in college (dating myself here). The dubbing was HORRIBLE! The horrible dubbing of that, and other shows made me a subtitle person only. If it's dubbed, I won't watch it. The article mentions that the creators are struggling to make ends meet in Japan. This is true, but it is not due to online piracy. The anime and manga industries there are run by companies who will only give a series a chance IF it has potential to make a lot of profit, most of which does not come back to reinburse the creators, it goes to the parent corporation of the studios iirc. Iirc the average manga creator only makes the ¥ equivalent of $13,000 annually and that's if their successful. Even so they have to divy that up with their assistants. So you have dedicated creators who want to make good series but are held back by corporate greenlight. You have folks who are passionate but may not make much financial gains back from their work. Online piracy is not the root cause. Most folks already know the best quality thus far is on blu ray discs. If you're a collector you're probably going to buy the disc. A lot of people stream or download as a "try before you buy" kind of thing. If they like it, they buy the physical disc(s). Fansubbing gauges demand. Most of these companies won't acknowledge that this is true because it then makes them look hypocritical when they blame fansubbing for being detrimental to the anime industry. Yet how are they to gauge the potential popularity of the various series that might be popular in the US when brought over? The US and Japanese markets are very different. The popularity of fansubbed anime/manga can be a determining factor for potential success in the US. Without guaging demand via the popularity of fansubbed media, now it's a gamble. The US companies are very behind too. Turn A Gundam? AWESOME, but what Bandai planned for a US release THIS year? Gundam rose in popularity here with Gundam Wing in 2000. For a few years, Gundam was a hot property then died down a lot during Seed. Turn A Gundam wrapped up before Gundam Wing was even brought stateside... So Bandai completely missed the ball with Turn A and Gundam in general. The fansubbers had them beat on Turn A for over a DECADE, and yet how did Bandai know there was demand for Turn A in the states? Most likely due to fansubbers and the reception of the series when it was fansubbed. Japan's creators struggle to make ends meet not due to fansubbing but due to the way the anime/manga/game industries in Japan are run. They aren't paid much to begin with and only have projects greenlighted if there is potential seen for substantial profit. Fansubbed anime has a wide reach, companies can use the popularity of it to guage demand, but if they're slow to act, what's the use?
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01-10-2012, 10:10 AM | #6 |
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I have to disagree with you. Most people that get fansubs do it for one reason and one reason only, to get free stuff. They don't care about anything but getting it for free. If they are given the choice between getting it free with fansubs(even crappy fansubs), and a legit R1 dvd release with subs... They will always pick getting it free.
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01-10-2012, 02:14 PM | #7 |
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I have to disagree with you. Most people that get fansubs do it for one reason and one reason only, to get free stuff. They don't care about anything but getting it for free. If they are given the choice between getting it free with fansubs(even crappy fansubs), and a legit R1 dvd release with subs... They will always pick getting it free.
I also could have sworn all of Macross got an official dvd release in the US.
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01-10-2012, 04:24 PM | #9 |
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I have to disagree with you. Most people that get fansubs do it for one reason and one reason only, to get free stuff. They don't care about anything but getting it for free. If they are given the choice between getting it free with fansubs(even crappy fansubs), and a legit R1 dvd release with subs... They will always pick getting it free.
I also could have sworn all of Macross got an official dvd release in the US. And believe me, if Frontier, 7 or Zero got a blu-ray/DVD release here in the States, I'd get it in a heartbeat. Same with the live action Space Battleship Yamato movie.
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01-10-2012, 04:52 PM | #10 |
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I have to disagree with you. Most people that get fansubs do it for one reason and one reason only, to get free stuff. They don't care about anything but getting it for free. If they are given the choice between getting it free with fansubs(even crappy fansubs), and a legit R1 dvd release with subs... They will always pick getting it free.
I also could have sworn all of Macross got an official dvd release in the US. I'll say with anime that I say with every other media, piracy isn't a problem it's a call to adapt. You aren't going to beat it by trying to keep your old business alive. You won't beat it by trying to appeal to the moral/legal obligations of people, most pirates don't care. The only way to beat it is by creating a better product. |
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