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08-26-2023, 03:10 AM | #21 |
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I guess I think there's some intrigue of how it's a criticism of entertainment media. As powerful as Suel is, he still answers to those who are merely just watches. The director, producer, and all other team can bicker and maneuver all they like or turn on each other, but losing your audience? You're done. Of course though, the VIP's tastes are what leads Suel to become a threat for the world and the cast.
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Those who get fan approval are those that aren't in main like Ouja, Heart, Kuroto, Vail, Beroba, etc.
Plus, given that Ex-Aid's V-cinemas are more closely associated with the main show than most of the others, Kuroto is still the main villain of the show. |
08-26-2023, 03:22 AM | #22 |
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Like there's no shame in just, avoiding talking about something that you don't like.
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08-26-2023, 03:56 PM | #23 |
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No, because the show has made clear that they are from the future countless times. None of the technology they show exists or is similar to anything in the present day (Ziin said that Beroba was 350 years old, over 3 times that of the longest lived human). If the world was virtual, Sueru would?ve switched it off, not bothered with a grandiose plan to kill Geats.
In episode 16 minute 22:23, Kousei said that Ace's world is a world created by Niram/DGP. In episode 23 minute 20:49, Ziin said that Ace's world is 3.5D (another one of Takahashi's fancy bullshit) world created by the future humanity as an entertainment media. It's obvious that Ace's world is just a virtual world, not the real world. The real world is Sueru/Ziin/etc's world. Even the guide pages on TV-Asahi's website mention that Ace's world is a virtual world. These are pages about the helmets of various Riders that use Vision Drivers and Zillion Driver: https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rider/glare/face.html https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rider/glare2/face.html https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rider/gazer/face.html https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rid...suel/face.html https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rider/regad/face.html https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rid...mega/face.html For example, these sentences from part 2 of Kamen Rider Regad Omega's helmet mentions the real world and the virtual world: "ロプスプレコグヴィジョン 仮面ライダーリガドΩ(オメガ)の視覚装置。 全身各部のカメラからの情報をリアルタイムで処理した高次元映像を内部の半球状モニターに表示することで現実世界と仮想世界をシームレスに一望できる。 さらに各端末のカメラを利用して最大100アングルの同時視聴に加えて、あらゆる事象の過去と未来を見通すことも可能となっている。" Translation by Google: "Rops Precog Vision Visual device of Kamen Rider Regad Ω (Omega). By displaying high-dimensional images processed in real-time from cameras on various parts of the body on the internal hemispherical monitor, the real world and the virtual world can be seamlessly overlooked. In addition to simultaneous viewing of up to 100 angles using the camera of each terminal, it is also possible to see the past and future of all events." Or this page about Laser Raise Riser: https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rid...ise_riser.html For example, these sentences from part 4 of Laser Raise Riser also mentions virtual world: "ユナイトグリップ レーザーレイズライザーのグリップ。 使用者の状態に合わせてレーザーレイズライザー自体のサイズを変更して最適化する機能を持つ。 また、使用者の変身後は仮面ライダーとの仮想世界を介したプライベートネットワークを構築することで遠隔操作を可能とし、ワイヤレスでのエネルギー供給を行う。" Translation by Google: "Unite Grip The grip of the Laser Raise Riser. It has the ability to change and optimize the size of the Laser Raise Riser itself according to the user's condition. Also, after the transformation of the user, by building a private network through the virtual world with Kamen Rider, remote control is possible and energy is supplied wirelessly." Notice this one phrase, the most crucial phrase, in part 2 of Kamen Rider Regad Omega's helmet: "現実世界と仮想世界" Translation by Google: "Real world (現実世界/genjitsu sekai) and virtual world (仮想世界/kasou sekai)." 世界 = sekai = world 現実 = genjitsu = real 仮想 = kasou = virtual/simulation/imagination/dream See? It's crystal clear that the logical distinction must be real world-virtual world, NOT future world-past world. This is not a rumor. This is not my hypothesis nor conjecture. This is an undeniable, black-and-white fact stated by the show itself. So, why have the writers insisted on calling Sueru/Ziin/etc the people from the future, not the people from the real world? Who knows. My guess is that probably the writers realized too late that a story about virtual world means that the story is stakeless. Okay, now that it's clear that Ace's world is a virtual world. You said that if Ace's world was virtual, Sueru would've switched it off. Sure, he can do it. Why didn't he do it? The answer is clear: Because the plot needs him not to do it. If Sueru just switched it off or reset it, then this show wouldn't exist at all. That's the ultimate idiot plot in Geats. Quote:
Ghost is bad because Takeru can be resurrected several times. His death carries less and less weight the more times he's resurrected. Geats? Well, Geats takes Ghost's worst aspect to 11, to the stratosphere. In Geats, not only important characters can be resurrected, but all humans, animals, plants, etc can be resurrected perfectly. Basically everything can be resurrected perfectly. You can even destroy Ace's Earth with a Death Star and easily resurrect it perfectly. What makes it even worse is that this resurrection, or rather, reality-bending/reality-manipulation ability can be used infinitely, thus making any death or destruction completely meaningless. You repeat death multiple times and it becomes so cheap. It's valueless. This is the worst form of debasement of death and destruction. It's basically inflation. It's like money: The more money circulates, the lower its value. The more times death is repeated, the lower its value. If death (and life) can be toyed with and manipulated infinitely, then the value of death (and life) becomes zero. Life becomes meaningless if it can be repeated, let alone manipulated like Geats. My life is meaningful precisely because I only have one life to live. What do you do when you only have one of something? You cherish it. Quote:
Oh, and the protagonist who can create a world of happiness for everyone? That's so naive and shallow. Real world doesn't work like that. Like I said, Geats is a story that can only be written by people who are out of touch with reality. I'd rather let reality be the judge. Let the time prove whether these people's philosophy is in line with reality or not. Let the time prove whether they'll get a world of happiness for everyone, or a dose of rude awakening. |
08-26-2023, 04:22 PM | #24 |
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All this talk about reality and digital fabrications...
Please look forward to the Geats Movie in which apparently according to spoilers, what's been said is entirely the opposite case in regards to reveals! |
08-26-2023, 04:48 PM | #25 |
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That is, in fact, aliens from the future are virtual creatures? It's possible. It is also possible that the film is not canon regarding the events of the show.
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08-26-2023, 05:09 PM | #26 |
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The protagonist strives to created a better world? No, he doesn't create a better world. He manipulates reality. He manipulates life and death. That is nihilistic. Well, his world and all its inhabitants do not exist in the first place. There's no meaning in things that don't exist.
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Well, in that case, we should start by apologizing to Giff. He fits this description even better, because he is literally a force interfering with the heroes. Plus, if such a message was originally laid down, then I think it would be read. And so there is no common opinion even about the status of Jitt as a separate being.
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And just because the internet incentivizes negative reviews, doesn't mean that they're always good or correct. It just means that the algorithm makes it so that it's easily more seen. Last edited by MKDremare; 08-26-2023 at 05:31 PM.. |
08-26-2023, 05:52 PM | #28 |
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And do you think that the reason why there're a lot of views on negative reviews is because there're tons of people bickering in the comments? It's not always just people agreeing wholesale with the review.
And just because the internet incentivizes negative reviews, doesn't mean that they're always good or correct. It just means that the algorithm makes it so that it's easily more seen. |
08-26-2023, 07:08 PM | #29 |
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Talking about your worries is something you do in therapy or serious matters, not going onto online forums to talk about a show that you don't like or what they do in it, ad nauseum. Quote:
Well, I also mentioned Dante for a reason. It's not about the algorithm, because everything was exactly the same long before the advent of the Internet. Just good reviews are boring. Not that the bad ones are always interesting, but as a rule they are more diverse. This, by the way, is the same reason why dystopias are much more popular than utopias.
Negative reviews aren't anymore diverse than positive reviews. That is a lie. I've seen negative reviews from different people that repeat the same fucking points over and over again. And maybe people focus on the Nine Circles of Hell because it's the closest idea people can have about what Hell is like (despite the fact that Dante's Divine Comedy isn't actually biblical doctrine), and people want to know what actions they could avoid to not get eternal damnation (despite, again, the Divine Comedy not actually being biblical doctrine). People are afraid of eternal damnation and want to avoid it, wow. And maybe people only being familiar with the Inferno means that people should fucking read the rest of Dante's Divine Comedy. Last edited by MKDremare; 08-26-2023 at 07:11 PM.. |
08-27-2023, 12:38 AM | #30 |
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I think the issue that people are having is that they're trying to see Suel and Zitto as characters, when really they should be looking at them as forces/obstacles to overcome. They don't need any depth to their motivations or anything, because ultimately they're what stand in the way of Ace's and the others' goals of a world where no one needs to trample on the happiness of others.
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Do you mean "villain Riders" when you said "main Riders"? Because you listed a bunch of villains instead of main Riders and talking about them. Hell, several of them didn't even transform into Riders to begin with. I always thought that the villains in Kamen Rider were fine, honestly. Nothing to ever really complain about from me, but I do get why some people might find them lacking.
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Again, criticism and absurdity work only if they continue to maintain logic. Sueru has no reason to please the audience. No real producer has that kind of power. Now, if access to the Goddess of Creation was provided not by the Gamemaster and the producer, but by the audience voting, this would be a completely different matter. Quote:
Well, Beroba is hard to call a fan favorite. In my opinion, she was disliked from the first appearance. The viewers' favorites are rather Chiramu and Niram, whose influence on the plot is minimal, and the characters are flat, but nevertheless they are very popular.
Plus, given that Ex-Aid's V-cinemas are more closely associated with the main show than most of the others, Kuroto is still the main villain of the show. Quote:
If the Earth visited by Sueru/Ziin/etc is the real version of the past Earth (like the past Earth visited by Marty McFly in Back to the Future), then anything happening in the past WILL affect the future. If the DGP had destroyed the real Earth and humanity countless times in the past, then humanity would've been extinct, and the future Earth will also be greatly affected and Sueru/Ziin/etc and all humanity will never exist in the future. Just like Grandfather's Paradox in Back to the Future: If you go to the past and kill your grandfather, then your present self will be erased from existence. As I previously said, Geats is NOT a story about time-travel and Grandfather's Paradox, but a story about virtual worlds.
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They are human, but not virtual humans like Kousei or Neon. Sueru is also a human, but in the virtual world/Ace's world, he's a God (with capital G). Sueru/Ziin/VIP's/etc are humans, where Kousei or Neon are just virtual humans, aka video game characters. The Sims characters can threaten humans? Yeah, right.
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The protagonist strives to created a better world? No, he doesn't create a better world. He manipulates reality. He manipulates life and death. That is nihilistic. Well, his world and all its inhabitants do not exist in the first place. There's no meaning in things that don't exist.
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Oh, and the protagonist who can create a world of happiness for everyone? That's so naive and shallow. Real world doesn't work like that. Like I said, Geats is a story that can only be written by people who are out of touch with reality. I'd rather let reality be the judge. Let the time prove whether these people's philosophy is in line with reality or not. Let the time prove whether they'll get a world of happiness for everyone, or a dose of rude awakening.
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But sometimes you have something to say about what you don't like. And sometimes even more. Negative reviews always get more views than positive ones. And even those who have not read the Divine Comedy know about the Nine Circles of Hell, but who remembers that Dante wrote about Paradise? And in general, it is a question of honesty. If you can write that Ghost is a bad show, then you can write that Geats is a bad show. And the arguments here are more of a bonus than a prerequisite, because in the comments about the same Ghost they are far from always given.
One shouldn't blindly praise something if it isn't perfect, but I want to show that being negative isn't purely mature or insightful, especially when you blindly make up lies for the sake of criticism, I mean as people can view those who are being positive as stupid and sheep (where being negative is considered mature and insightful), I'll uncover the same for those being negative, a prime example is if they resort to outright lies. I already said above about 'hating' but I'm just against double standard. It's not only about punching up (e.g. saying Geats is bad rather than Ghost). Not only Geats, honestly saying Ghost or any other show is bad should be less encouraged too, more talked and discussed upon first, more to I don't like the show especially if the reason is something accounting to taste like something being lighthearted to their dark tastes or such. Quote:
A good review isn't just endless praising or endless ripping into a work. A good review is something that takes the good and bad, what makes the story work, and actually dissects on why that is on a subjective and objective level. But really there is no true unbiased review, everyone's going to have biases and whatnot.
Negative reviews aren't anymore diverse than positive reviews. That is a lie. I've seen negative reviews from different people that repeat the same fucking points over and over again.
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