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10-22-2020, 01:41 AM | #341 |
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I was waiting for the watermelons to show up. I knew they were coming, I just forgot which episode it was. Apart from absent-minded knife-wielding Midori, I just love the cute humor of the whole "everybody keeps bringing a watermelon." It's such a Hibiki thing to do.
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I'm not going to spoil anything, but the question of Asumu training to become an Oni himself has come up a lot lately. I don't know what the original plan was, but I've always felt that he probably wouldn't. It just doesn't seem to fit with the character. Asumu is a sweet kid, I just don't buy the idea of him breathing fire at giant CGI crabs. I've always liked that the show seems to want him to find his own path in life.
Not to Um Actually you, but the Rider Wiki says it's because
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10-22-2020, 02:29 AM | #342 |
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Nice to see you’re back in the swing of things. Just two more episodes before the big turnover. While I’m sure Switchblade will try to convince you not to watch it with little reasons provided, I’m working on three reason why you SHOULD watch it.
Aside from that, I’ve really got nothing to say, other than what I said about Tsutomu last time. (Ie. That a novel retelling the series has him becoming an Oni named Akatsuki) |
10-22-2020, 02:36 AM | #343 |
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Yeah, schedule-wise, I'm trying to make up some lost time. Thursday's going to be 28/29, Friday is a look back at this phase of the show (and a nice point for Switchblade to bail for their own mental health), Saturday's the movie, Sunday is 30, etc.
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10-22-2020, 08:27 AM | #344 |
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KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 25 - “RACING AZURE”
The Hibiki thread is a lot of fun, with Ibuki serving as a way-too-optimistic trainer (You’re Doing Great is not helpful advice for someone who’s trying to push himself, Ibuki!) and Kasumi bored out of her goddamn mind. Quote:
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Sure, but the show hedges its bet by making the thing Todoroki wants to quit a thing that's vital to his success. He's not quitting some hobby, he's quitting a part of his job that he doesn't like.
But I think you could make the argument that he'd still be better off applying himself and overcoming his failings. Even if the skill itself is irrelevant, the perseverance is valuable. Quote:
Asumu is being called out in the text of the show for being clueless when it comes to Hitomi's feelings! Hibiki brought her up to Asumu in the last story. Hinaka is so mad at him for missing the signs in this one. And, spoiler, his own mom mentions that he's oblivious with girls in the next one. If you think it's a toxic take, okay, but it's a take that is basically just me stating what the show is doing right now.
Also, from what the show is doing, still, just because the show is doing that doesn't mean that the audience should exactly follow (I know you do but I'm still telling about how for this case you seem to be inconsiderate, and for it being toxic take... probably the story IS being unintentionally toxic, it can happen in various stories, author can't necessarily account for reader reactions). You don't just want this thing to be believable—you want it to have the characteristics it needs to have for the story to work, and in inverse of Show Don't Tell, for its difficulty to achieve that, authors sometimes, consciously or not, go "screw it. Why go through all the trouble?" and just have the narration or another character say something like, "she is brave", "this is sharp", "this is sturdy", etc. there, problem solved. But readers can conclude from what they experience for themselves, not 100% taking their word for it, whatever "it" is, like actively seeking reasons to ridicule the concepts they tell them are profound. Like like for example what you say in Kuuga thread about Man of Steel's ending being meant for triumph, but you wouldn't call it a win unlike what intended) is forced to think that way, or that someone that is constantly told as heroic by other characters because they're on protagonistic side but the audience knows that they aren't even close (Designated Heroes). It's difficult to draw the line regarding where the ratio of informed feats to actual feats becomes unfeasible, and deciding for what audience think can be taken to the extremes like altering everything for their headcannons yeah, they had to be flexible and not run totally by bias (like because an author did a mistake then every single thing they convey is flawed, only what we think is right! - full ego) too.
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10-22-2020, 08:49 AM | #345 |
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KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 26 - “PASSING DAYS”
KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 27 - “PASSING DOWN THE BOND” Real interesting two-parter! There’s a lot of confusion in the first part. It’s disorienting. A lot of weird cuts, garish colors, extreme close-ups. Creepy images, terrified victims, horror vibes. There’re hard edits between a shocking monster scene and a light character scene, like the monster plots are encroaching on safe spaces, pushing further into the narrative. There’s still a safety to our cast, but it feels fleeting. It’s nice to see the monster stuff take a big step up. The mythology is still pretty light, all things considered. Black and White Clockamous, Doujis and Himes… it’s not a lot, you know? It’s a very slim framework to the Oni’s mission. Here, there’s both a little bit more specificity to what’s going on with all of the seasonal monster stuff (very much appreciated), and also an increased level to the threat. In general, the show keeps the monsters as something the Oni have to go hunting for, so a story where the monsters are both all around them and completely untouchable, it’s a big change. On top of that, we’ve got the new Fancy-Dress Douji and Hime, having some weird connection to the White Clockamou and affecting Zanki through completely different scenes. Which, it’s that disorienting feeling, where boundaries between scenes bend to the will of the enemy, and the Oni seem powerless to strike back. Just, overall, really liked how the monster threat escalated here. It’s still mysterious, but that didn’t bother me at all. I kind-of love it? I love how primal the imagery is now, how frustrated Ibuki gets, how Zanki’s forced into a fight he knows he’ll probably lose, it’s great. It is great. If any non-Kuuga show can get away with a new phase of the plot being Now The Colors Are REALLY Weird, it’s Hibiki. Speaking of Kimono Douji and Hime, their voices are actually not mixed up which means they must be a pretty big deal. Their appearance is a portent that the show is about to become completely different. That's the less meta reason anyway. There's a weird hierarchy to the villains since it's not like they all live in the same base talking about their evil plans, they're very vague. It's like, you think the black and white cloaked guys seem like a big deal at first, right? But then it turns out, nope, they're just mere puppets for controlling and empowering the Makamou. You never know when someone bigger and more important is going to show up. Quote:
I’m not sure if we’ll get more with Tsutomu, present-day or from his backstory, but I’m pretty happy with what we got here. I like that his reason for washing out as an Oni was that his parents said no. It’s such a weird angle to come at a story that’s point is getting Asumu to figure out what he wants. I mean, they could’ve had Tsutomu not be good enough, or not appreciate it, or have a feud with someone, but no. This kid wanted it, and had to quit, and it clearly haunts him. He’s trying to move on, but there’s the way he asks if Hibiki has an apprentice that makes it clear that he wishes he could go back, make a different choice.
(The show doesn’t say it here, but I’m assuming Tsutomu was apprenticing under Ibuki. Zanki already had Todoyama, Hibiki was solo, and Akira sort-of pales a bit when she sees Tsutomu. Feel like he was Ibuki’s apprentice.) Based on Ibuki's age, he probably would have been too young to mentor anybody before Akira. Who knows? Quote:
It’s layered in well to Asumu’s story. Once again, there’s no big decision to Asumu and Hibiki’s relationship. Tsutomu is just another path that Asumu could end up on. Not a cautionary tale or anything, Tsutomu isn’t destroyed by this, but something for Asumu to consider as he keeps defining himself. Similarly, Zanki’s questioning of Hibiki gets the mentor side some screentime, with the two dads warmly joking about how awesome it is to be a dad. (Zanki’s so proud of Todoroki! And he always has been! And he’s so bad at hiding it!) Hibiki wants to be something more than just an Oni mentor to Asumu, in the same way that Asumu doesn’t feel the need to be an Oni apprentice just to learn from Hibiki.
If Tsutomu’s story is about anything, it’s maybe about how forcing that relationship into a more strict definition can kill it. Letting it develop naturally, making sure both participants feel like they’re getting what they want out of it, that’s when it’s healthy. Hibiki cutting out Asumu because he’s not an official apprentice, or Asumu enlisting as Oni to keep Hibiki as a mentor… then what? Once it’s codified, then what happens if Asumu doesn’t work out? Fortunately, Shounen's mother seems to be very encouraging of how Shounen chooses to live, which means whether he becomes an Oni or decides he doesn't need to follow that path depends on him. His interaction with Tsutomu seems to be very sempai-kouhai and adds a new perspective to his uncertain future. Quote:
I intend to skip the movie due to how terrible it is but I'll explain later.
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10-22-2020, 08:53 AM | #346 |
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Oh, I’ll still be here to chime in with my thoughts (I have a lot to say about a specific pair of episodes). I’m just not going to watch along anymore.
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You mean the arc written by Yonemura?
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I had to check, but no. It’s 36 and 37, although apparently the fallout from that took longer than I remembered. It all ties into the most massive and frustrating character derailment from the Inoue era. It is the single thing I hate the most about the rework. Even more than that character.
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There's a weird hierarchy to the villains since it's not like they all live in the same base talking about their evil plans, they're very vague. It's like, you think the black and white cloaked guys seem like a big deal at first, right? But then it turns out, nope, they're just mere puppets for controlling and empowering the Makamou. You never know when someone bigger and more important is going to show up.
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Or maybe he's Sabaki's former apprentice and his unfortunate resignation is another reason why Sabaki always loses whenever he's onscreen, due to loneliness? Sabaki needs more headcanons apparently.
Based on Ibuki's age, he probably would have been too young to mentor anybody before Akira. Who knows? I think Ibuki's old enough to have an apprentice before Akira. Tsutomu only quit the year before, potentially around when Akira started. And Ibuki's been training since he was a teenager, so he might've been active long enough to be onto a second apprentice. Also, we never see Ibuki interact with Tsutomu, so I feel like the show maybe wanted to keep them apart. Finally, Ibuki's someone who started at almost the same age as Tsutomu, so I can see that being a bond between them.
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10-22-2020, 01:44 PM | #350 |
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Who would you want as your oni mentor? And how do you feel when you regardless get Sabaki?
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