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07-14-2020, 10:50 PM | #51 |
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So Kamen Rider Chalice’s insect theme is a mantis while his playing card theme is heart also known as the suit of cups, which a chalice is a type of. The fun part is that his rouser is the buckle itself (the heartrouser) which while not connected to cups is a heart and thus counts, while his weapon the Chalice Arrow requires the rouser to be removed from the belt and attached to it in order to scan cards.
Some of these names, man... Blade = He uses a bladed weapon. Chalice = suit of cups, which is a bit of a deep cut, but whatever Garren = ??? Guardian, I guess ??? Like, boy, you had one, and then it all got real weird real fast. Quote:
Regarding the show proper I feel like one of the problems is it’s one of thise works that’s not that good early on until you rewatch it with future context. And it also feels like it’s one of the most clear cut cases of this show fully learned from Faiz’s mistakes and is acting on correcting them similar to say a proper sequel to a video game in regards to fine tuning the gameplay.
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So, possibly the worst hot take I've ever seen on a Kamen Rider series (next to anyone saying "Oh man, this Onari guy is hilarious") was someone on another board who got, like, mortally offended that Chalice doesn't have the same design aesthetic as Blade and Garren. This is despite the fact that, as you'll see, there's a whole story about what he is and why he works that way.
Also, hey! Onari is super hilarious! When Alain plays him! Quote:
And, yeah, that new suit! A+ design! Best suit so far!
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07-14-2020, 10:50 PM | #52 |
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Even before he can’t stop suggesting that he's a joke to people, you can see it all play out on his face. It’s a really great part of the scene, where you can see Kenzaki move from disbelief, to rage, to embarrassment, to finally settling on self-deprecation and overwrought miserablism. It’s that sense of humor coming out again, where he'll make a joke about himself to keep from succumbing to his worst impulses.
It’s a whole episode that plays with that idea, that he has to force himself to be something else in order to survive. His instinct is to make himself the victim, but he has to force himself to move beyond that and be of worth to others. It’s a sad version of heroism. It’s not a deep connection to humanity, or a goal of protecting smiles. It’s self-sacrifice as a road to redemption, where every new fight is a chance to atone for the time he didn’t (or couldn’t) fight. It’s him forcing himself to look outside of his own trauma, working to be a better person. It’s not easy for Kenzaki to stop wallowing in his own bruised feelings, but he knows it’s what he has to do. I really love that, how much the show is saying that it’s hard for Kenzaki to be a Kamen Rider. Not in the usual ways. Not that he’ll get injured, or that he’ll die. But that he’s failed, and he’s torn between feeling hurt forever and trying to heal. On another note, one thing I was reminded of when rewatching this episode is how cool it is that Blade's transformation isn't just a fancy visual, he uses the transformation process itself as a weapon. It's an awesome moment when he's getting choked by the Undead's vines, but manages to get the belt on and the blue rectangle projection literally just smashes into the Undead and forces it off of him. That's such a unique and clever feature that I like a lot. Also I agree 100% about the Chalice suit. Easily one of my favorite suit designs in the entirety of Kamen Rider.
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07-14-2020, 11:01 PM | #53 |
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Oh man, if you think "Garren" is weird then be prepared to hold on to your butt.
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07-14-2020, 11:06 PM | #54 |
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This is a fantastic summary of why I like Kenzaki so much. He's not some perfect hero, he's got a lot of struggles and, as you said, tends to sometimes wallow in his own self pity a bit. But he recognizes that about himself, and pushes himself to do better because he knows it's right. And when others call him out on it, as Shiori does in this episode, he doesn't get defensive about it at all; he realizes "oh yeah, she's right" and immediately sets out to go help the people at the observatory. These characters living in this house together is really the best thing possible for Kenzaki, because now he has friends that will both reframe his perceived weaknesses about himself intro strength, and push him to move forward when he feels overwhelmed and paralyzed by his own negative feelings. It's a really great dynamic.
There's a Batman thing I really like. It's from Tom King's (excellent) run on the character, and it comes up a lot of times over the series. It's that everyone gets scared. Everyone feels afraid. But that means everyone gets a chance to overcome it, to be brave. It's something you can see in Kenzaki's character, even in just the second episode. He doesn't think much of himself, doesn't know if he's good enough. But he has to be good enough, for the sake of everyone else. Quote:
On another note, one thing I was reminded of when rewatching this episode is how cool it is that Blade's transformation isn't just a fancy visual, he uses the transformation process itself as a weapon. It's an awesome moment when he's getting choked by the Undead's vines, but manages to get the belt on and the blue rectangle projection literally just smashes into the Undead and forces it off of him. That's such a unique and clever feature that I like a lot.
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07-14-2020, 11:07 PM | #55 |
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oh no not my butt
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07-14-2020, 11:29 PM | #56 |
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Random tangent as always but Kenzaki is probably the first TITULAR RIDER whose occupation is a Kamen Rider, although if you bring sub-riders in the mix Hikawa takes the cake. Something to consider when watching this show I think.
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07-14-2020, 11:34 PM | #57 |
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Yeah, it made my head spin a little in the second episode, when Amane is trying to identify which Kamen Rider saved her. It's just Kotaro and Kenzaki using Kamen Rider in the way someone else might say firefighter, and it was a little funny. I like the idea of everyone in Japan treating Kamen Riders as, like, neighborhood utilities.
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07-14-2020, 11:36 PM | #58 |
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Also Garren's name seems to be a mutated form of the word currency since diamonds are related to the suit of coins it seems.
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07-14-2020, 11:45 PM | #59 |
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Specifically it’s accepted that it’s a corruption of Galleon which is most known as a type of coin in the Harry Potter series of books which were at their height of worldwide popularity in 2004 to the point that the magic aspect of the 2005 sentai series Magiranger was inspired by it.
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Specifically it’s accepted that it’s a corruption of Galleon which is most known as a type of coin in the Harry Potter series of books which were at their height of worldwide popularity in 2004 to the point that the magic aspect of the 2005 sentai series Magiranger was inspired by it.
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