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12-18-2020, 08:15 PM | #581 |
Showa Girl
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... what is there to say?
That was AWESOME. Awesome, awesome show. I felt like it had lost its way a little in the middle but Z's really turned into something special for me -- I hope it's something Kōta Fukihara can be proud of, because he really laid the groundwork for a fantastic series as far as I'm concerned :')
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12-18-2020, 08:45 PM | #582 |
Reiei
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That was AMAZING!
Ultraman Z is a solid 10/10 for me all the way! The shorter episode runtime was a bit unusual from what I'm used to, but I feel this is for the best since everything was so packed and not much for the toys to be blatant! Definitely looking forward to a movie and his future appearances! I'm actually a bit surprised that Haruki went with Z (and Belialrok! Love him.) to space. Maybe marriage was too expensive for him! Now I'm kinda itching for a SHF Juggler or a Delta Rise Claw for a Belialrok. Maybe base Z? Ahhh! Also, they never really resolved the Devil Splinters... Or the Barossa. Movie content, I guess? Or more Geed content since I remember Geed was the one handling the splinters. |
12-18-2020, 08:58 PM | #583 |
Suprise Gamma Future
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Absolutely fantastic episode. The series as a whole was really stunning and perhaps my top pick for Toku in 2020.
I loved the ending. I super loved the bit at the end. I do wish we got the marriage however or at least a dramatic kiss! Rima Matsuda is such an incredible actress and within Ultraman Z alone she covered a lot of range. Zero has long been my favorite Ultra and it feels fitting for Z to become a new favorite in a perfectly cannon lineage. I hope this show has paves the way for future shows in terms of accessibility. The world wants toku and brining it to a multi-national streaming site was long overdue. I can't wait to pick this show up on Blu-ray. Also who was the random guy at the end with Yuka?
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12-18-2020, 09:01 PM | #584 |
Reiei
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I believe that was Celebro's first host. His hair was just cleaner, I guess.
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12-18-2020, 09:21 PM | #585 |
Alias: ZeroEnchiladas
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The Barossa on the other hand, I honestly see them more as setup for a recurring alien race that just doesn't know when to give up. Who knows, they could just form a blood feud with Ultra's in general after the three that got killed. But as for this finale? HOLY SHIT I LOVED IT SO MUCH. It's hard to articulate my thoughts but just everyone banding together for the final battle, the mid-air transformation, the usage of Z Original, it was all just real good. And it's cool to just see where Haruki and Z ended up after it all. Also goddamn Beliarok is a drama queen and I love him. |
12-18-2020, 10:02 PM | #586 |
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If I could describe Z in one word, it's straightforward, which I think is its best and weakest aspect. The show is very direct about what it's doing and what it's trying to say, it excelled at being high energy and high impact, something which I think the finale showcased very well. However, at least for me, I think it's a little lacking in term of thematic nuance and depth for me to really sink my teeth into, compared to some of the previous ultra shows. Z is very much, what you see is what you get, it's simple and uncomplicated to digest, which given all the production issues that went on behind the scenes, from the passing of the head writer and corvid, the fact the show was able to come out the way it did should be commended.
Edit: I"ll also add that I really appreciated that base form Z was the one to finish the fight Last edited by Byg42; 12-18-2020 at 10:19 PM.. |
12-18-2020, 10:03 PM | #587 |
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I get the feeling I'm gonna be the stick in the mud again.
First I'll say that Z was the first Ultra show I actually finished, got halfway through X before kinda forgetting about it, and it's defiantly not bad, but it's an incredibly average toku. The characters are charming and some ideas are nice, but ultimately, they just end up being very... Unengaging when it comes to emotional moments for me? I can't really point my finger on it, but they almost feel flat at times, even when I understand where they all are coming from. Haruki sadly falls under that as well. I get why he acts the way he does, but it just doesn't connect with me in any meaningful way. The second part of the dynamic duo is even worse. Z... Yeah, Z is almost none existent in his own story, beyond his "hip" way of speaking. He only ever matters when a fight starts. He feels like an afterthought honestly. Now to the antagonist. First Juggler. Why is he here? Why did this need to be a legacy character when it doesn't feel like there is anything meaningful being done with him? I'm gonna use that to harp on about the way Z uses it's legacy aspects. Remember, I have not seen any other show to completion and my knowledge is nothing but hearsay, but it feels incredibly intrusive without any sense that it adds to the material most of the time. For example, Celebro is tied to Belial in some way. Ok, I know roughly who that is. Are they gonna use that relationship in any meaningful way, like when Geed showed up or with Beliarok? No? It's just there to give the villain a backstory? The second being Juggler's motivation "Long ago... I cut down a big tree. It was to stop a war and carry out my justice. But it was all spurned. That's why I need this toy. To show those who think their justice is absolute, just how fragile their assumptions are." It doesn't really give me any good ideas about what his deal is. It almost reads like a joke at the expense of people who don't know. And Celebro... Dear god, he's just a big amount of nothing. He doesn't feel like a threat. He never really manages to achieve much of anything beyond being an annoyance. He has next to no relationship to Haruki, which robs the final fight of a lot of its weight. These two don't even know each other! For the most part of the show, he is just there. And that ties back to his motivation and the themes of the show: Quote:
I've enjoyed many planets so far, but this moment always excites me. It's a wonderful spectacle. To see fools destroyed by a weapon of their own making, and to hear their cries of agony! I implant fear into planets with civilizations. They make weapon after weapon to defend themselves, and finally, with a weapon they created, they destroy their own civilization. I have a name for it - The Civilization Self-Destruction Game!
That said, I still enjoyed my time with the show. I just had a few frustrations with it.
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12-19-2020, 04:49 AM | #588 |
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Ok, as someone that Z was the first Ultra show I finished, why was Juggler here? No, seriously. Why was this character here? I can for the life of me not figure this out beyond fan service. He could have been cut from the show entirely and I wouldn't have noticed, or at least, his alien antics.
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He's not that youthful man in 20's or the glaring Juggler in his 30's, he's a withering Juggler in his 40's; this is the answer he finally settled with after doing various things and I told him to run for that answer. But it doesn't matter if it's the Juggler everyone expects. I want Juggler to be a grown man, not the same person forever. This time, its also a series where you can see a part of the history of his humane transition. I don't know if this will attract or reduce the number of Juggler's fans. That much gimmick is what I'm doing.
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12-19-2020, 05:43 AM | #589 |
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As my first Ultra series, Ultraman Z couldn't be a better starting point for a latecomer. The characters are fun, the fight scenes were cool, the effects and costumes were great, and it's a well-rounded story and not a lot of baggage from previous installments.
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12-19-2020, 09:56 AM | #590 |
Suprise Gamma Future
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There's tons of varying opinions about Juggler and his inclusion. A lot of people say the call backs turn them off from the show, but it's really no different from something like Star Wars with a deep established history.
In Mandalorian, big characters show up seemingly out of nowhere, but if when done right, it makes the viewer asks questions and get curious and look into the media where that character comes from. It's good world building that acts as a self referencial nod to regular fans and another starting point for newcomers to look into. I am certain Mandalorian has created a bunch of new Clone Wars fans, much like if you loved Ultraman Z and want to watch more Ultraman but don't know where to start - you now have Juggler, go watch Orb!
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