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04-25-2021, 05:28 AM | #1 |
Dai Shogun
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The movie is now subtitled via Over-Time, IzuSubs and maybe more. Let's discuss!
@Topic: I think the movie was pretty good. No unnecessary down-time, very fast paced with great action scenes and a decent plot to tie it all together. I like how we're thrown straight into the action, how they stuck to the concept that the entire thing happens within one hour and how they explained the reasons for the attack as it was happening. Plus, while the main villain’s motivation was very standard, the execution of his plan was kind of cool. He deliberately gathered the worst scum on the planet as his followers so he could be sure those very people would die and not be allowed into his "paradise". Seeing all of the characters from the show again was very nice too, especially how they build up on the finale of the show. Like how Hororbi tries to give the words Izu told him back to her not knowing it was a different Humeagear. Speaking of Izu, I knew they would restore her memories somehow and they didn’t do it all too shabby. The resulting “Double Rider” battle was certainly worth it. As far as Kamen Rider movies go I would say this was one of the better ones, I enjoyed it. |
04-25-2021, 08:09 AM | #2 |
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One day has passed since my immediate opinion post of 'really liked it' in the other thread, and I can say that I do in fact still really like it :v Every Rider movie has the standard format of being a higher-budget one-off action-fest, and it feels like this movie totally embraces that, and in a weird way, that kinda helped me appreciate what few slow, character moments there were in-between, if that makes any sense. Es is not that much more compelling than the average movie villain, but I thought they did a really good job fleshing him out in the limited time they had. They then switched him out near the end for antagonists that are literally defined as the worst people he could find, which I thought was a neat little twist, since it allowed for a big climatic fight even after Aruto had appealed to the villain's emotions. I will assume the ending is him and Akane passing away together after making peace because it'd be kinda messed up to think that they are still just in that digital world.
No point in going into detail how every little fight scene (I thought they were literally all great, from Valkyrie's Kuuga stunt show to even the wonky CGI plane fight), but I just feel like mentioning how I was particularly fond the middle fight when Aruto confronted Es for the second time. The deeply-ingrained expectations I have of these kind of shows had me immediately assuming Metal Cluster Hopper was just going to job some more to Eden since Zero-Two already lost earlier, but then it actually got the upper hand using its unique ability to counter Eden's, and I was like 'wooooah!!?!'. Between this and its great showing against Ark Zero that one time, maybe it was right to hog all the screentime it did in the show?! (Actually still not true) Last edited by FreshToku; 04-25-2021 at 08:20 AM.. |
04-25-2021, 09:17 AM | #3 |
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Gosh there's like so much to go through with how much this movie did amazingly?
But can we just talk about the fact that one of the props for the Abaddon Rider Army is a grenade that is just a painted rubix cube with the middle tilted? That caught me off guard, lol Everyone got their moment to shine and I really liked how they basically made use of all available forms for the Riders that did show up. One last hurrah for Lightning Hornet too before it gets repainted to Justice Serval. My friend said it was kind of lame how we sort of get this no name character with no real build up other than he's a scumbag taking up a new variant of the Eden suit, Lucifer (did we ever get the Abaddon Riders names in film? I don't think so) but I love it on a thematic level. Because those guys who just crave pure destruction... that's what the Ark wants. That's exactly what Ark-Zero was, a sort of boring monster of pure destruction. All of Azu's picks have been people who have been emotionally vulnerable with feelings of negativity welling up within them. And I feel like that's partially on purpose, because they do address that method in MBJR. But it works well and fits into the theme of the Ark Candidates post Ark-Zero. One thing I will focus on in this post and I do like is how they treated Aruto's fight scenes, at first you wonder why exactly Eden can keep up with Zero-Two given our Main Rider's ability is "I break the game" when it comes to movement, predictions, etc. But then you slowly start delving more into the mystery of everything and realize yeah of course Eden could just barely edge out Zero-Two. AI controlled Nanomachine's alongside a human in the pilot seat, they'd be able to counter just about anything, not to mention the regeneration ability and Eden's finisher seems like an absolute direct counter to Zero-Two. So we get round two, and we have Aruto playing to this knowledge by utilizing Metal Cluster Hopper's swarm ability in a fantastic way. So much so that when I first saw it via the raw I'm like "Oh Metal Cluster fans are going to be so happy with this". It's such an ingenious utilization of what I considered a fairly boring form. And I have to admit I loved it's utilization. Aruto should have won and only lost because Eden decided to immediately use Hell Rising Hopper to nuke the field instead of waiting. Round 3 ends up being such an interesting twist on the usual movie exclusive form. Hell Rising Hopper isn't something that was meant to edge out Eden in the slightest. It was very much a "I need this key destroyed, so I'll transform and kill myself to destroy it if I have to!" situation and I honestly loved that. Also just... just that tail end of the fight, with Izu, and Aruto's just painful closed mouth yells as he tries to get something out... absolutely powerful. And then versus Lucifer with Aruto having gotten a reality check between his prior fight and this, he's able to fight alongside his partner and after working on their opponents separately, work together to completely overwhelm Lucifer in an outstanding display of team work. Also I know a lot of people joked about Aruto and Izu marrying when they created Zero-Two. But like... it's totally official now right? Cause I mean, Double Rider transformation. In a church of all things, flower petals dropping. They're basically married at this point! lol |
04-25-2021, 11:02 AM | #4 |
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This was okay. Like its double-billed partner there’s absolutely no substance going on here and it’s just an extended showcase of special effects and a bunch of riders, which is fine for what it is. Nice soundtrack
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04-25-2021, 11:45 AM | #5 |
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Absolutely none? I disagree. The story behind Es, which I think was rather well intertwined with what was happening in the show, Izu's little quest for her true self - it isn't much but combined with the gorgeous scenery shots this movie pulled off it got me good sometimes. Like, Aruto stepping out of the train with all the bodies lying outside for example. Also, the Thinknet goons. I didn’t know what to make of these guys except that I thought they looked comically out of place in the trailers, turns out that’s exactly their deal and makes perfect sense. The shot of that messy mother neglecting her crying baby while playing world destroyer was almost a bit too much. I'm not trying to overrate what was essentially very much a Kamen Rider movie, but I wouldn't say it lacked substance to a point that it didn't have any. If anything, what I really liked about this movie was how it took the cookie cutout formula (evil villain makes grand announcement, everyone journeys towards him to fight) and mixed that up completely: We already start with the fight, we are not made aware how this came to be until later, and the backstory behind the villain is puzzled together over the course of its runtime. I kind of enjoyed how I had no idea what was going on and it took some steps to get the whole picture, layer by layer. I find that unusual for a Rider movie because all the ones I’ve seen are very straight forward with where it starts and where it needs to end. |
04-25-2021, 12:31 PM | #6 |
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I think it pretended to have some for sure, but it's a very stock plot with no passion and no real characterisation behind it. Doesn't really matter though; it's a very pretty popcorn flick and that's all it needs to be
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04-25-2021, 04:25 PM | #7 |
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I loved this! The movie didn't waste any second and I think we got a good mix of action and comedy. The part where the Humagears are torturing that guy or when Shesta starts making a wrestling move, all of them without changing their expressions, priceless! Also, the part where they practice to laugh at Aruto's jokes was so wholesome.
I wasn't expecting the structure of how the story was presented, at first I thought it was gonna be like Saber's movie, only fight scenes, but the way they presented the beginning of the attack and the motives behind it was quite clever if you ask me. Plot-wise, is basically True Ending, but better. Quote:
So we get round two, and we have Aruto playing to this knowledge by utilizing Metal Cluster Hopper's swarm ability in a fantastic way. So much so that when I first saw it via the raw I'm like "Oh Metal Cluster fans are going to be so happy with this". It's such an ingenious utilization of what I considered a fairly boring form. And I have to admit I loved it's utilization. Aruto should have won and only lost because Eden decided to immediately use Hell Rising Hopper to nuke the field instead of waiting.
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Also I know a lot of people joked about Aruto and Izu marrying when they created Zero-Two. But like... it's totally official now right? Cause I mean, Double Rider transformation. In a church of all things, flower petals dropping. They're basically married at this point! lol
Another highlights from the movie: -Valkyrie on a bike! -Ikazuchi delivering the bike because ZEA ordered it ten minutes earlier, haven't they considered compete against Uber? -Double Rider action The only thing that I didn't like was when they pretended that Izu was gonna die, again. Why do they have to toy with my emotions like this?! But seriously, every time Aruto gets a major upgrade Izu has to suffer in one way or another, it's getting old. Aside from that, I might watch it again because I enjoyed every single second of it. |
04-25-2021, 07:43 PM | #8 |
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I love the exchange between Izu and Aruto at the end. Aruto said something very similar to Soreo, and he was so certain that it wouldn't be possible for Aruto to make him laugh, that he instead devoted his life to giving Aruto the ability to make others laugh.
Compare that to Izu being absolutely certain that Aruto will indeed, make her genuinely laugh, someday. Loved it. |
04-25-2021, 08:00 PM | #9 |
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Okay, so what do you get when you resurrect a Rider summer movie that never was, made by a production team now filled with vigor and determination brought on by the very setbacks that forced them to shelve the script in the first place? What would happen if you gave those guys one last big chance to have Zero-One leave its mark on the new era?
And the answer is – you get something more than a little divine. You know, I remember the last time a Rider show produced by Takahito Oomori and written by Yuuya Takahashi got a big movie coda, I was pretty hyped for it too. True Ending somewhat inexplicably managed to live up to that hype for me, so you might think I was really pressing my luck hoping to go two for two here, and with a much bigger wait in which grow those expectations to boot. I mean, Zero-One even already has a track record when it comes to being disappointing, right? But no, sure enough, I adored Real×Time from start to finish, and having seen it twice already, I'd like to sit down for a second and just dig into reason after reason why until I'm satisfied I'm getting my passion for this one across. Cutting right to the chase, reason 01 is that it's directed by Teruaki Sugihara. It would be impossible to overstate the importance of this simple fact. This is a dude who brings a level of flashy style to Rider and Sentai that nobody else is matching right now, and that's as evident here as its ever been. Sugihara's big inspirations are apparently anime and video games, like a proper nerd, and those influences are strongly reflected in the way he loves to use animation-esque exaggeration in his live-action fight scenes. The big sweeping motions, the dynamic angles, and the brief little moments where time almost stands still to let the viewer focus in on what's happening – it's exactly 0% realistic, and 100— no, 1000% believable and engrossing. Sugihara's action pulls you right into the world, and it always looks so beautiful while it's doing it. Like, do I even need to explain why this stuff looks good? Just look at it! It's a total feast for the eyes, right!? This is only scratching the surface, too. The whole movie seriously does look this amazing. It's not even only a matter of the loud action parts being good. More subtle and quiet moments can also be hugely elevated by Sugihara. He also knows to pay attention to things as simple as how a change in the color palette can give a scene a totally unique look. Basically everything Sugihara has done to this point is in here somewhere, like the Jin VS Jet sequence that's straight out of the start of Lupinranger VS Patranger's second episode; or the shot that ends the final battle, which is sure to look familiar to anyone who's seen Zi-O or Reiwa The First Generation. What these stills obviously can't communicate is the way the motion of each scene factors into everything coming together so well, my favorite part about Sugihara's direction to watch, and maybe my least favorite to describe, because I never feel like I'm doing it justice. I guess I can't speak for everyone, but my eyes just always know where they need to be in the frame when I'm watching something by him. That's what makes all those trademark techniques of his as fun to see as they are – how they're flashy AND functional. There's a beautiful rhythm to his scenes I can only hope to ever truly put my finger on. The direction in this movie is phenomenal. If you want a huge epic toku movie that balances pure adrenaline with purposeful stillness, Sugihara is the man. Oh, and speaking of beautiful rhythms, reason 02 is that Gou Sakabe did the music, and his work on Zero-One impresses me every bit as much. The detail I'd immediately throw out there to sum up what I'm about to talk about is the noise of the timer on Eden's Thousand Jacker heard throughout the movie. It's clearly designed specifically to blend into the soundtrack where needed, to the point where you might not even realize it's diegetic, but it is! And that effort is really appreciated, because on top of the benefits to the score, it's just plain cooler, more ominous, and more distinctive as a sound than a typical digital stopwatch kinda noise would've been. The movie's music perfectly complements the visuals to add further clarity to everything that's going on, and in the process, Sakabe mixes together tons of the existing motifs from the TV series in fun ways. I think this is actually the first time we've heard the action version of the MetsubouJinrai BGM, and like, you get to hear it together with Vulcan's. The music in this movie isn't just good, it's glorious. With the audio and the visuals locked down that insanely tight, it's really on the script at that point not to let that go to waste, and I don't think Takahashi did here. One thing I've always praised him for since Ex-Aid, what I feel is his most distinguishing thing as a writer, is that I feel he cares deeply about structure, and that means this movie's premise probably had him exceptionally fired up. The timer is only broadly accurate to the film's runtime, if anyone was wondering. Between things like scenes in a digital world that might not necessarily follow the rules, and the simple demands of telling the story in a natural way, the clock only lines up properly for stretches at a time. That single hour takes ends up taking over 70 minutes. This isn't an issue of course, and I'm surprised it's as close as it is, but it's worth mentioning. How exactly the idea translated on-screen isn't the point though; the point is that this concept is made for Takahashi, and he makes the most of it. Everything about the way the movie paces itself is impeccable. The film starts with events already in progress, and gradually fills in the details as it goes along. There's an instant sense of momentum and tension, but it's broken up very naturally by the scenes where the plot reveals its next layer, giving the audience spots to breathe while also feeding that new information right back into the drama to make sure the momentum isn't reduced by taking time to slow down. The way the story progresses is remarkably smooth because of all this. The story itself also centers around an antagonist who benefits immensely from the way the story is laid out. Eden isn't spectacularly deep as a character, nor is he unlike anything you've ever seen before, but his role is very well fleshed out, and that makes him a compelling presence. Going back to the clever way exposition is handled here, I love how he's presented as this imposing cult leader seemingly driven by vague, grand ideals, only for it to be revealed how his motivations are entirely personal by the end. It's the kind of thing where Es is even more interesting on a rewatch, as you can go back with the knowledge of what "paradise" actually means to him, and what his fixation on sixty minutes was really about, and realize the significance of things like the visual of his transformation into Eden, or why Azu is dressed how she is. Es is not a deep character, but there's enough meat on him, delivered in an interesting enough way, that he can still hold your attention. A very well executed version of a fairly stock villain archetype. It helps that Eden himself is just plain cool, with the creepy blood vein aesthetic and the disturbing abilities. On the other side of the moral fence is everybody from the show, who mostly get their moments to shine. Ikazuchi and especially Naki get the worst luck there, but I also know for a fact their inclusion in the film is a result of the (apparently relatively minor) rewrites the script received to be set after the series instead of during it, so at least there's an explanation for that. When it comes to just about everybody else, though, I mean, even Shesta gets to do something cool. In contrast to his MBJR comrades, Horobi actually benefits from the change in the movie's timeframe, as he gets plenty of tiny moments that nicely reflect the character growth he had by the end of the show. This is also the case for Fuwa, although I don't think this was intentional, but he spends a huge amount of his screentime teaming up with Horobi and Jin, which kinda highlights how far he came from his "scrap all HumaGears" days. Valkyrie gets to be awesome, which is all I want from poor Yua, and Gai sure is having fun as usual. The show's main Riders outside of Aruto are distinctly in side roles, largely moving the plot along with no greater emotional investment, which contributes to the film's strong focus, but they're given enough neat moments to keep from feeling left out because of that. The strangely Sakamoto-esque scene with them all brandishing their weapons untransformed was also quite cute. (Yua and Horobi obviously pull it off, but Gai just looks silly.) Aruto's role in the film is another thing that goes to show how neat and cleanly the plot structure is. We get a handful of Zero-One/Two fight scenes, all showdowns against the main bad guy Rider, all very unique in execution, and all spaced out enough so that it's an event each time one happens. He's the star of the show, so he's too good to go around fighting mooks throughout the city. Instead, he creates room for the other Riders to shine doing that in the first half hour by spending a huge amount of time in a virtual world learning about the plot, before ultimately leaping back into action with a greater understanding of what's at stake. His arc with Izu is fairly straightforward, but it's an arc nonetheless, and adds some emotion to the movie. Probably could've been something more with a more significant retool to the script, but the upside of it not being the core of the movie is that it isn't the core of the movie, so it's not exactly dragging everything down. What's most impressive throughout all of this, as always, is the performances Noa Tsurushima and Fumiya Takahashi bring to these characters. For most of the runtime, Tsurushima has to deliberately play Izu like she was at the start of the show, which means I had to actively think to realize how impressive that kinda is, because it's rather subtle, but Takahashi, man. I honestly believe he's one of the most talented leads Rider has ever had. Whether he's making dumb jokes or screaming in horrible agony, he does it all with such conviction, and this story gives him plenty of room to display that. I'm sure a lot of people just find it all to be obnoxious mugging or whatever, but I'm telling you, he knows exactly what he's doing, and he's extremely good at doing it all. As I touched on talking about Aruto's character arc, though, there are obviously some elements of the story that aren't particularly fleshed out, but I think it's kind of to the movie's credit how little any of that bothers me. Like, yeah, Lucifer's a big ol' ball of nothing much, but I'm kind of having so much fun watching the dream team-up between Zero-One and Zero-Two at that point it's hard to care too much. There's way too much this movie did right for that. I've gone this far and haven't even mentioned how solid it is about connecting to the series thematically, with all the concepts like the misappropriation of cutting-edge technology, and the cult of personality stuff, and the way that all reflects the often dark nature of the human heart and— Well, that's probably worth a whole separate rant, actually, but you know, I have to stop somewhere. Again, probably to the movie's credit that I can go this long and feel like there are entire angles to it I've yet to cover at all. I REALLY liked this one. I won't make any premature declarations about where it might end up standing on my list of favorite Rider movies in the long run, but I can definitely see myself coming back to Real×Time pretty frequently. I wasn't surprised that it was good; I was surprised by how good it was.
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04-26-2021, 07:12 AM | #10 |
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I’m gonna go with Kurona and agree this film did nothing for me. It’s basically a slightly weaker version of Ex-Aid’s movie, only being better where it doesn’t really matter. I actually found the Abbadon users more sympathetic than S (I’d like to know where that name came from, as well, since it’s not an initial and I can’t think of any bible references it could be), mostly because of how selfish his motives are. When they declared their intent to kill his wife, I was less “oh no, somebody stop them”, and more “yes, do it. She’s literally the causes of everything bad in this movie”.
And I also think the whole merger of the two Is’s shouldn’t have been a thing, since it basically robs the new one of anything meaningful by making her into a backup for the original. |
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