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09-14-2019, 08:03 PM | #31 |
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Yes! It has! As he's leaving Banjou and Sento at the end of episode 14, Stalk scores a million hilarious villain points by going, "Oh, also, Night Rogue is Military Adam Driver, the guy you work for at the Institute. Ciao!" (He actually says "Ciao"!) No one even asked, he just volunteered. Amazing. Such as an awesome villain.
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09-14-2019, 09:39 PM | #32 |
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KAMEN RIDER BUILD MOVIE: HEISEI GENERATIONS FINAL
So, I've seen this one before. Back when I was first watching Ex-Aid (I want to say before I watched Another Ending?) I saw that there was a Build/Ex-Aid movie on the Wiki. I'm like, sure, I'll watch that. I saw Build in the True Ending movie and a brief bit in the series, so this should be a good continuation. It, uh, really wasn't. I didn't know virtually anyone in the movie, and, unlike Dr. Pac-Man, Ex-Aid wasn't even the main character. It wasn't a super-fun watch. I mean, bad Kamen Rider is still fun, I didn't regret watching it, but there wasn't a lot in the story I could latch onto. I didn't know or care about any of the Legend Riders. However, as I would almost immediately go back to W and start watching forward on the Heisei Riders, this became a movie I was desperate to revisit. Not because I remembered it as being some franchise highlight, no. I remembered that this is the one where Ankh comes back. It's, unfortunately, not a huge part of the story. Most of the movie is a slightly-dumber version of a Build adventure. There's a strange emphasis on Banjou, and why he's a Kamen Rider. I think that's a solid idea in theory (science term!), but the execution is mostly a corny-ass "Always help people" whatever. It's fine. It's totally generic, in that it applies to literally every Rider in the movie, but, sure, okay, Banjou wants to help people now. You could've plugged nearly any secondary Rider from the last nine years in his place, but it's still a serviceable story that largely respects his storyline to date. (It's a bit of a step back, but only a bit.) Sento is pretty much just a dogged investigator, with a story that should feel more personal (this villain has a grudge against Takumi!) but just comes off as some random mad scientist Build has to beat to save the world. There's fun guest appearances by the non-W Riders who didn't show up in last series's winter movie. The Legend Rider fight sequences aren't as good as the last winter movie, though. Honestly, nothing was as good as the last winter movie. Dr-Pac Man was outstanding. This hits the beats, it's all decent, but the story just never elevated it for me. The "what is heroism" runner is so dull. But, Ankh comes back. I think OOO is maybe my favorite Kamen Rider show. I feel like I watched it in a day or two. (It was probably a couple weeks.) I couldn't get enough of it. I don't think it's the perfect show, but it's good at everything. It's the rare Kamen Rider show where I don't think it makes any mistakes. (Okay, maybe the theme song? Ska has not aged well!) Other shows may beat it at certain things, but they all have problems. OOO only problem is that I can't watch more of it right now. So, here's this gift I'm given where, six years after we were promised Ankh would be revived, they actually pay it off. Sure, it's for a minute, and sure, he doesn't stick around, but Ankh comes back. And he immediately tells Eiji he looks like shit! (He sort-of does. He is, uh, definitely six years older.) This was a thing that, when I first saw it, meant nothing to me. Now, it means everything. I don't want to say it made this movie great (it didn't, this is a pretty forgettable movie), but it's hard to take too many shots at epic fan service like this. It obviously would've been better if that kind of moment, along with the Fourze and Gaim and Ghost stuff, had been part of a better movie. I don't know. It's possible I'm being too hard on it. Build is a really good series, and I sort-of expect better from its related content. The villains on Build, in particular, are so richly realized that Bikaiser feels even more thin. He's a couple of cackling lunatics, trying to destroy the world. Whatever. It's no wonder that, while I remembered that Ankh was in this (he came back!), I remembered virtually nothing else about the plot. It's a movie that's great at being a Legend Rider delivery system, but only okay at being a Build or Ex-Aid story.
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09-14-2019, 09:57 PM | #33 |
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09-14-2019, 10:16 PM | #34 |
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My assumption was that the essence of The Chair would be used for Night Rogue's "Sofa King Rogue" upgrade. I was so close!
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09-14-2019, 10:28 PM | #35 |
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I must admit I kinda feel the opposite -- that Dr. Pac-Man is the dull forgettable movie while HGF is the outstanding incredible one. Nothing about the former sticks out to me in any particular way - though it's still a fun ride nonetheless; and certainly better than a good few of the previous Movie Wars - while HGF manages to perfectly hit every beat and is a joy to watch from at least the 20-minute mark.
One of the main characters gets an arc that feels appropriate to both him and the movie; the plot is serviceable - not that these crossover movies are ever anything beyond that - but allows for wonderful character moments; and we get extremely satisfying returns for these previous riders we'd grown to love and adore. And Gaim. Dr. Pac-Man, on the other hand... I'd have to watch it again, because I can scarcely remember the meat to it. I do remember having issues with how Pac-Man himself felt like a bit of a waste of time when he took up half the movie and then seemed to just sort of fizzle out of existence, though. I miiiiight be a bit biased since Ghost, Wizard and Gaim are not terribly exciting returning riders and Drive's got to do most the legwork; and then HGF has OOO and Fourze, but... man, I just could not stop coming back to HGF for how exciting it was. I will say though: if you're let down by the villains in this movie being very thin and disappointing compared to the ones in Build itself? Oh boy, watch out for Be The One. Last edited by Kurona; 09-14-2019 at 10:30 PM.. |
09-14-2019, 10:41 PM | #36 |
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I must admit I kinda feel the opposite -- that Dr. Pac-Man is the dull forgettable movie while HGF is the outstanding incredible one. Nothing about the former sticks out to me in any particular way - though it's still a fun ride nonetheless; and certainly better than a good few of the previous Movie Wars - while HGF manages to perfectly hit every beat and is a joy to watch from at least the 20-minute mark.
One of the main characters gets an arc that feels appropriate to both him and the movie; the plot is serviceable - not that these crossover movies are ever anything beyond that - but allows for wonderful character moments; and we get extremely satisfying returns for these previous riders we'd grown to love and adore. And Gaim. Dr. Pac-Man, on the other hand... I'd have to watch it again, because I can scarcely remember the meat to it. I do remember having issues with how Pac-Man himself felt like a bit of a waste of time when he took up half the movie and then seemed to just sort of fizzle out of existence, though. As for the thread where Banjou learns what it takes to be a Kamen Rider... it didn't work for me because it was so generic. It missed the specificity that I've loved in Build. It's cool that the Legend Riders are used as Legends, but Banjou's eventual decision is little more than "I'm going to be a hero, because a hero does the thing I'm about to do!" It's a weirdly tautological character moment, and it didn't seem nuanced enough for the characters I'd spent 14 episodes with. Quote:
Oh no!
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09-15-2019, 12:30 AM | #37 |
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FINAL is my favourite of the three Heisei Generation movies, but I'll admit large part of it is because I specifically love Build, Ex-Aid and OOO soooo much (Fourze's entrance was pretty great and nostalgic too, though). The one shot of Muteki and Sparkling next to each other with an explosion behind them, I remember saying aloud to myself 'heck yeah kamen rider' or something to that effect. Although it's also funny because I'm pretty sure that was over once Ex-Aid turned invincible and Build could have just sat back from then on.
Speaking of, I'm wondering what you think of the suits and designs so far? Cross-Z remains a big favourite of mine even now, but maybe you found a surprise favourite in Night Rogue or like, GorillaCleaner? |
09-15-2019, 04:16 AM | #38 |
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When I first watched the original Heisei Generations, I saw a few comments saying that the next one wasn’t as preferable, so I went to watch it afterwards and thought “they were right”. The fights are less inspired, the legend riders seem shoehorned in (though that might be because I’d only seen Gaim and Ghost in any serious capacity beforehand, but still) and the villain’s one memorable trait is the word “funky”. The most I see people talking about it other than the returning legends was Build’s Ex-Aid form just being Ex-Aid’s suit with the Build Driver (“Hey Build, Decade called. He wants his gimmick back”). Thankfully, I got a lot more out of the next Heisei Generations, so I hope you do too.
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09-15-2019, 06:56 AM | #39 |
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I'm a big fan of the Final because of it's Banjou focus - honestly, not understanding nuance feels like his deal in the early part of the show, so accepting being a hero *just* because it's good, especially considering developments in the show itself, hits home. Plus, it has Gaim for realsies. And Ankh!
And yeah, Bikaiser is kind of a let down, but at least his design is sick.
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09-15-2019, 07:02 AM | #40 |
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Bikaiser was a bit more memorable to me because of the whole same-guy-in-parallel-worlds thing, and that they were so different. Also that one of them was absolutely nuts. It's very simple but it's fun enough and serves its purpose.
Dr. Pac-Man, though... I actually dislike that he has such a connection to Ex-Aid's overall story, because that makes it feel like something I'm watching because I have to rather than something I want to, and it doesn't even have that many emotional moments come from it? He's still a super dull villain, just with the added caveat that Oh, I Did Something In Your Backstory. I had the same problem with W x Decade but at least Begins Night was really, really good... |
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