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04-25-2020, 11:08 PM | #561 |
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Like, I get what folks don't like about Inoue on Ryuki. Everything's turned up to 11: the humor, the drama, the everything. (He's the man who gave us DOUBLE SURGERIES a year earlier, so it's not like this is unexpected.) And, yeah, that can lead to him not, uh, finding nuance where another (better?) writer might. But, man, there're points you really need to play it to the cheap seats, and when that happens, Inoue's your guy. He plays it to the goddamn parking lot.
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04-26-2020, 12:55 AM | #562 |
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Dude loves his melodrama!
Like, I get what folks don't like about Inoue on Ryuki. Everything's turned up to 11: the humor, the drama, the everything. (He's the man who gave us DOUBLE SURGERIES a year earlier, so it's not like this is unexpected.) And, yeah, that can lead to him not, uh, finding nuance where another (better?) writer might. But, man, there're points you really need to play it to the cheap seats, and when that happens, Inoue's your guy. He plays it to the goddamn parking lot. Sano's death, for the record, is one of the cases where I think it works. I didn't even like the guy but damn do I feel for him. |
04-26-2020, 01:10 AM | #563 |
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And to think, with all the wealth he had obtained, Sano could have retired in just three days...
No, between my first viewing of Ryuki as a child back in 2002 (it could have been 2003), and before re-watching it in 2013, my memories on a lot of the show was very spotty. There were several things that still left a permanent impression on my mind though. Among things like Odin's Time Vent nonsense, Ryuki using the Survive Card, Alternative's first appearance... of course Imperer's death. It messed me up for life (And I am grateful for it)! |
04-26-2020, 06:24 AM | #564 |
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Probably sorry that I may come off as pushy before, but I'm doing that for the series' sake. And somehow previously I caught your age topic response as you being ignorant like ignoring Raia as a name for Quarter forever... dunno what happened to I am... did I somehow became Metalgelas at ep. 20 or Shinji at ep. 43. As I want to talk about this (I know you want to only focus on these 2 but still) but nowhere to put them so I would do it here.
Now ORE Journal tries to publish the monster picture... poor them. Not only those 9 year olds, adults/publics also aren't exempt from this. ORE Journal also gets a flak for talking about Mirror stuff for real, jeopardizing their already ill-fated reputation to an even worse degree, losing even more of their subscribers. Shinji, you must help them, the Card Deck to henshin and possibly control Contract Monsters is the only way to prove the monsters and save ORE Journal's reputation! Sanako insisted that Shinji (and Ren) can live in Atori if they help her out at the cafe's opening hours. And here she closed the cafe due to exactly zero person helping her... but Shinji got to stay (dunno if Ren still lives there)? I should say Shinji's truly lucky, he wasn't kicked out, what you want is only a place to live right? Yet you want the cafe to be re-opened again, increasing unecessary duties (for you), especially after handling 2 jobs. Also look at Shinji's shirt at the beginning (lol). Read everything's written there. Quote:
So, Sano and Toujou.
The main thing in it that I liked is how it’s exploring the idea of motivations, of want vs need. There’s a hollowness to Sano and Toujou’s characters, as they’re driven more by what they want (wealth, respect, love) than what they need. They’ll do horrible things to get what they want, but there’s this sense that they’re not sure having it will help. Quote:
I liked that this story got told, and told now. It's a good point in the show to do a thing on a set of Riders who don’t know why they’re fighting. We’ve seen all sorts of heroism and villainy, but the idea of futility, I don’t think that’s one we’ve spent a huge amount of time with.
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Imperer also has an ironic death. I'd say one thing I like about Ryuki is how every Rider death is meaningful, like it's not simply people getting killed, they put efforts on killing them like making them ironic depending on which Rider. He actually became happy during the war, having no more need for the wish. Unfortunately, he had to fight in order to survive, and was betrayed by Toujou, whom he thought was his best friend. He died to Asakura soon after. Why here, Gigazelle didn't hunt and eat him as his Deck was destroyed by Ouja? Other than that, it's too unlucky for him that Ryuki is the one saving him from Tiger, but like with Kagawa's death, he didn't notice at all where Imperer is ambushed by Ouja, especially a very easy kill with how weakened he is. And even if Tiger scans the Advent Card, the attack feels like a Final Vent where Destwilder drags him across the ground for long time, only that it takes some time for Tiger to walk in, monologue, and stab Imperer in the gut (the finishing attack for his Final Vent). And yeah this is what I meant before, Toujou fully knows that he's an outcast, and as you've seen, (understandably) among Riders too. That shapes him as a Rider for a whole, that he wanted to be liked by people by becoming a hero. And I have to note though, like Ren's wish to save Eri, or Kitaoka's wish to become immortal, "becoming a hero" is also Toujou's wish for winning the war. I don't know how Toujou's wish will be granted on him after winning (there are lotta ways to make someone a hero) but I'd say he should also has the same all-consuming drive, for hero is his war wish, so he also has the need to survive these battles to win and gain that wish (he thinks like that while killing Kagawa). I think they have clear motivations and reasons of why they're fighting. Apart from hero is Toujou's wish, Sano having a happier life (possibly would mean him becoming rich after winning the war) is Sano's wish after winning. They have clear goal like that. And the futility, I dunno (probably half-right for Toujou). Toujou's clear he wants to be a hero, but the methods he used ends up ruining himself and others... because of his insanity, twisting an already flawed Kagawa's lesson to an even worse degree, to the point that Toujou's take won't even benefit anything unlike what Kagawa intends. Currently it's futile, but all he has left is the wish granting power Rider War gives ("to become a hero"), it's unknown if the wish will truly gives what Toujou wants. Sano's only futililty is the Rider War part itself, because he actually got what he wanted prematurely, making the risk involved to join the Rider War all for nothing. What he wants is clear, he's clearly satisfied of everything he got in this episode, he even wants to quit, not being greedy of wanting more. He only wants to survive, as a consequence of Rider War, where his method doesn't change, allying himself with other Riders (again), where this time he pays them, opposite to himself before who wants to get paid (at least Sano lives up to his methods!). Quote:
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There’s a visual this episode keeps coming back to, a caged bird in Sano’s shitty apartment. I keep thinking about that image. It’s evocative in a way that Kamen Rider… I don’t think symbolism is necessarily a go-to move in Kamen Rider. There’s camera moves and set-ups that are frequently used to tell a story (that shot from a few episodes of the chair between Shinji and Toujou, how the barrier informs their incompatibility), but using an item, calling it back, it’s not really part of the language of Kamen Rider to me.
That goddamn bird, though. To me, the cage is Sano and Toujou’s need to achieve. They’re trapped by it, by the need to get rich or be a hero, even while they convince themselves that it’s… I don’t know, safer, more comfortable. That this prison they’ve built for themselves of expectation is a liberation, is something that can deliver happiness. Or, maybe the bird is the concept of happiness, locked away but always visible. Toujou and Sano know what happiness looks like, but they can’t possess it. Or they’re the bird, and the cage is the choices they’ve made that are now containing them, reducing them. Quote:
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All of the scenes of Sano's success, I love how unreal they are. There's a dreamlike quality to them, all these old men telling him how great he is, how special and perfect he is. The speed at which he ascends to the heights he always dreamed of, it's bizarre. It'd be a joke, if it didn't feel like a parable.
Ren's a stingy cheapskate, as his friends attest, so that reaction of him is expected. May or may not still want Shinji to pay him (only, without all the petty additional fees) 30000 yen and saw Sano's payment as a potential substitute. Also a Toyota Supra! Last edited by DreadBringer; 04-26-2020 at 07:19 AM.. |
04-26-2020, 06:30 AM | #565 |
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I don't know if The First and The Next are on your viewing list, but the former devotes a huge portion of its runtime to a subplot involving two seemingly unrelated characters just so the film can pull off a last-minute tragic plot twist. There are a lot of times when you can feel Inoue really straining to create that cathartic moment for the audience that, to me at least, makes them feel so forced.
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04-26-2020, 11:15 AM | #566 |
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And to think, with all the wealth he had obtained, Sano could have retired in just three days...
No, between my first viewing of Ryuki as a child back in 2002 (it could have been 2003), and before re-watching it in 2013, my memories on a lot of the show was very spotty. There were several things that still left a permanent impression on my mind though. Among things like Odin's Time Vent nonsense, Ryuki using the Survive Card, Alternative's first appearance... of course Imperer's death. It messed me up for life (And I am grateful for it)! and Kitaoka's silent Henshin. Quote:
I don't know if The First and The Next are on your viewing list, but the former devotes a huge portion of its runtime to a subplot involving two seemingly unrelated characters just so the film can pull off a last-minute tragic plot twist. There are a lot of times when you can feel Inoue really straining to create that cathartic moment for the audience that, to me at least, makes them feel so forced.
Sano's death, for the record, is one of the cases where I think it works. I didn't even like the guy but damn do I feel for him. Look, if you're proposing Kamen Rider Always Be My Maybe, yes, I would absolutely watch that.
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04-26-2020, 11:32 AM | #567 |
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Sanako insisted that Shinji (and Ren) can live in Atori if they help her out at the cafe's opening hours. And here she closed the cafe due to exactly zero person helping her... but Shinji got to stay (dunno if Ren still lives there)? I should say Shinji's truly lucky, he wasn't kicked out, what you want is only a place to live right? Yet you want the cafe to be re-opened again, increasing unecessary duties (for you), especially after handling 2 jobs.
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Probably those advisors only wants to use Sano as a puppet, as a figurehead for the company, they're secretly manipulating him as they convince the board of directors to hire only him. It's weird that my concern is for Sano's company that his father worked up hard for, how will it go under his leadership (where he seemingly can't work off enough that he becomes Rider), or especially at the end losing him. Tragically both Yuri (broken heart for sure, but I'm afraid she may think Sano dumps her or something) and the company may think that he has just forsaken them.
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04-26-2020, 01:09 PM | #568 |
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You know, the more we talk about this episode, the more I want to see a team-up between Imperor and Zero-One. I never noticed how similar their personal stories are.
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04-26-2020, 02:55 PM | #569 |
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I don't know if The First and The Next are on your viewing list, but the former devotes a huge portion of its runtime to a subplot involving two seemingly unrelated characters just so the film can pull off a last-minute tragic plot twist. There are a lot of times when you can feel Inoue really straining to create that cathartic moment for the audience that, to me at least, makes them feel so forced.
Sano's death, for the record, is one of the cases where I think it works. I didn't even like the guy but damn do I feel for him. Quote:
The level of business Atori sees drives me up the wall. There are times where it's just Auntie, pining for the Amazon, in a dimly-lit empty room. Then there are points when half the neighborhood shows up at once for tea. I don't think this is a Ren/Shinji/Yui problem, I think Auntie's got huge problems scheduling staff. Like, is there no pattern for how many people want tea, or when?
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Yeah, I assume he'd be nothing more than a symbol of continuity to assuage investors, but the show doesn't 100% confirm that. I think there's some room for interpretation. Yuri probably put two and two together and saw her date turn into a horned superhero and jump into a card window, then never return, and figured that he died. The company, though, yeah, I guess they'll think he just flaked. Those poor executives! They were so excited!
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