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12-24-2017, 12:10 PM | #21 |
Avi by @CSarracenian
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I was talking about the Rider powers not evolving meaningfully, not the characters themselves. I actually like the characters a lot, especially Banjou. Seeing him fight unmorphed for so long before finally getting his powers was a really nice touch that I've wanted from Rider forever. I feel like as a franchise the show doesn't do enough to convince us the person in the suit is the same person as the one out of it. My issue with Banjou is that his girlfriend dying wasn't very well handled, outside of specific scenes you'd never even know that was his driving force as a character.
Everything you've listed there can be found in multiple other Rider series, though.While it may be true that it hasn't appeared in the last few series Drive/Ghost/Ex-Aid (I haven't watched any of these), all of the stuff featured in Build appears verbatim in various series before it. Also that Rain scene was one of my favourite in the whole show exactly because it finally shut the Driver up. Ryuga's inability to let go of his girlfriend's death is why the Cross-Z Dragon didn't work, and everything's been for her, his paid off matches were all for HER sake, when he thinks Stalk is Katsuragi, he lashes out at Stalk in anger, he can't think well due to it being a sensitive topic to him before getting the note from Sento Literally which other recent toku shows have people getting shot by realistic weapons, governments making their regions bleak and miserable for warfare and some form on social commentary about politics? That's honestly shallow of you if that's all you can appreciate about the scene, the only noise being rain, the shots of our hero and a traitor just staring, etc., the way it's shot works well in any other super hero thing
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12-24-2017, 12:20 PM | #22 |
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You didn't clarify on 'evolution' well enough then
Ryuga's inability to let go of his girlfriend's death is why the Cross-Z Dragon didn't work, and everything's been for her, his paid off matches were all for HER sake, when he thinks Stalk is Katsuragi, he lashes out at Stalk in anger, he can't think well due to it being a sensitive topic to him before getting the note from Sento Literally which other recent toku shows have people getting shot by realistic weapons, governments making their regions bleak and miserable for warfare and some form on social commentary about politics? That's honestly shallow of you if that's all you can appreciate about the scene, the only noise being rain, the shots of our hero and a traitor just staring, etc., the way it's shot works well in any other super hero thing Recent shows? No idea. I've been out of the loop with toku for a few years now. That is why I asked about the other shows, I saw bits of Drive/Ex-Aid and Ghost but never got into them or fully finished them. Interesting that you call me shallow for not liking the scene, because it is certainly a fault with me and not with the show itself....
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12-24-2017, 12:37 PM | #23 |
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Like I say, there are specific and melodramatic scenes for Banjou but I don't feel like it feels like an organic whole for his character.
Recent shows? No idea. I've been out of the loop with toku for a few years now. That is why I asked about the other shows, I saw bits of Drive/Ex-Aid and Ghost but never got into them or fully finished them. Interesting that you call me shallow for not liking the scene, because it is certainly a fault with me and not with the show itself.... I keep forgetting it's 2017, name as many toku shows as you can with people being gunned down with realistic guns by other human beings. Only examples I can think of are Ryuki and arguably Timeranger off the top of my head That's not what I said, I said it's shallow to only like how the belts were being drowned out and not the rest of what made the scene great such as the camera shots, the symbolic nature of Sento fighting Stalk where Soichi found him post amnesia, the rain shots, the moments in which they just stare at eachother before fighting, it brings out emotion and although Stalk's shown he's an irredeemable bastard, you can read Sento's thoughts of "I wish this wasn't happening, why did it come to this?" and Stalk seemingly feeling slight remorse about the situation, as he DID feel guilty about tricking the cast a few times despite it being part of his plan. The scene has depth, Showa VS Heisei's stupid reason for the Riders fighting is another example of showing off a bit of depth, as OOO looks away due to guilt as the Showa Rider's were calling him out on trying to not have to move forward. OOO didn't even have a major role in the movie, so that level of depth can be appreciated even if there wasn't anything good in the movie other than that
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12-24-2017, 12:55 PM | #24 |
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I feel it makes sense but eh, fine
I keep forgetting it's 2017, name as many toku shows as you can with people being gunned down with realistic guns by other human beings. Only examples I can think of are Ryuki and arguably Timeranger off the top of my head That's not what I said, I said it's shallow to only like how the belts were being drowned out and not the rest of what made the scene great such as the camera shots, the symbolic nature of Sento fighting Stalk where Soichi found him post amnesia, the rain shots, the moments in which they just stare at eachother before fighting, it brings out emotion and although Stalk's shown he's an irredeemable bastard, you can read Sento's thoughts of "I wish this wasn't happening, why did it come to this?" and Stalk seemingly feeling slight remorse about the situation, as he DID feel guilty about tricking the cast a few times despite it being part of his plan. The scene has depth, Showa VS Heisei's stupid reason for the Riders fighting is another example of showing off a bit of depth, as OOO looks away due to guilt as the Showa Rider's were calling him out on trying to not have to move forward. OOO didn't even have a major role in the movie, so that level of depth can be appreciated even if there wasn't anything good in the movie other than that But yeah I didn't care about anything else in that Rain scene, I have zero emotional investment in this series due to the clunky, hamfisted pacing and storytelling. You seem really invested though and I'm happy for you.
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12-24-2017, 01:20 PM | #25 |
Avi by @CSarracenian
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You really want to see people killed with real weapons, huh? You'll love Kuuga...
But yeah I didn't care about anything else in that Rain scene, I have zero emotional investment in this series due to the clunky, hamfisted pacing and storytelling. You seem really invested though and I'm happy for you. But you said you liked the cast's interactions. Which is a big part of what helps make that scene great. Eh,
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12-24-2017, 01:23 PM | #26 |
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This Touto-Hokuto war seems interesting. It’s cool that Hokuto has their own rider. I hope there’s a rider from Seito later on in the series. A triple rider war would be interesting.
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12-24-2017, 04:14 PM | #27 |
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I mean, I too have been disappointed in the lack of major twists in this show, and I’ll need some later on if this is going to be among my favorites, but we are only 16 episodes in. Most toku wouldn’t even have anything other than a vague direction to its plot at this point, while Build has made a lot of progress on that front. I’m hoping going into the new plot for the new year, we will really see this show come into its own.
Anyways good episode, I’m really excited for the next story arc with the three countries at war. From the looks of the preview, the source of conflict between Sento and Ryuuga is going to be that Sento is staunchly against using Riders in warfare, while Ryuuga wants to fight to protect his homeland. Pretty interesting!
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12-24-2017, 05:25 PM | #28 |
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12-24-2017, 07:18 PM | #29 |
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Dang, Build really just keeps knocking it out of the park for me. As the now obligatory "season finale" episode before the new year, this was great. The big mystery driving the show up to this point is largely resolved with a bunch of great character bits, making way for exciting new plotlines, and we get a big action scene set to the entire theme song to cap things off. Good stuff.
Oh, and I'm dead certain Over-Time mistranslated Ryuuga's line at about 15 minutes in, so just a heads up for everyone. They have him saying "I'm pissed because he's so pissed at himself", but what he actually said is "I'm pissed at myself for being so pissed at him". What they have gels with the climax just fine so this isn't a huge deal, but it's not what that conversation with Misora was actually about, and I think the actual line shows how much progress Ryuuga is making as a character to have that kind of self-awareness. Quote:
So here are my thoughts on Build up to and including the current episode.
The thing that keeps me watching is the flashes of inspiration, the strength of the performances and the chemistry between the cast. Everything else about this show, so far for me, has been awful. The show has practically zero identity of its own, drowning in cliches and trite developments continuing the painful homogeneity of toku shows. The emotions never mature, the special effects never improve and the moral compass never becomes more focused. The show does attempt a few swerves but any twist can be seen from another dimension they are so telegraphed and all each twist does is make me aware of how little emotional investment I have in this show. I also don’t care for the actual Rider’s so far. The mostly serious tone of the show completely clashes with the silliness of the Riders (including the villains). What happened to Riders evolving meaningfully? These shows have always been about selling toys, I get that, but Build is a walking advertisement for himself, nothing more and it is so egregious in its execution, everything just makes so much noise, so much shouting and so many sound effects but it is all low quality, painful, nonsense. I can’t concentrate on the action because the Driver is just shouting away while other props screech out horrible low res loops of the equivalent of an industrial blender being filled with metal. It looks like they are using the literal toys as props, they don’t even bother to paint the props on both sides.
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12-24-2017, 08:14 PM | #30 |
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Regarding Gaim, the gadgets (while annoying in their incessant talking) were at least supposed to be that way because they were sold to the masses as a glorified toy.
But Build is shaping up to be the best show since Gaim. Drive and Ghost were immense wastes of potential despite having good content. I haven't yet seen Ex-Aid but that is a nightmare just on costumes and gadgets alone. |
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