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03-08-2013, 10:33 AM | #2961 |
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Sentai is right. Libra and Garrens actor are one and the same. They actually made a few jokes about it last year in the Fourze Net Movies & Super Hero Taisen Net Movies.
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03-08-2013, 11:00 AM | #2962 |
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03-08-2013, 04:15 PM | #2963 |
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On episode 44 of Ryuki, hoping I can finish it before I have to leave for work in about 3 1/2 hours.
...Imperer...as in like..impala? Hahahaha! Also what is with Shinji's shirt? It says stuff like "Bullshit Artist", "Womanizer", "Pothead", etc. WTF? Edit: And now the last two episodes! Edit Edit: And manly tears were shed.....but again I have one complaint hitting the reset button...really? Edit Edit Edit: And now that I'm home from work I can finally post my thoughts in a bit more depth. Ryuki had the potential to be my absolute favorite season of Kamen Rider to date. I loved the dark tone, I loved the rider designs, I loved the characters, I really dug the story. There were some great rivalries and relationships that built and grew over the course of the season. I actually cared about the different riders, I cared about why they were fighting (well, their reasons anyways, wasn't quite as big on the reason behind their fighting as a whole). The ending was just such a slap in the face though. I know I complained about both W and Fourze for similar reasons, but more than even those I feel Ryuki's end was a huge disservice to the entirety of the season that led up to it. What is the best way to **** up all the character growth and development, all the sacrifices, the drama, the relationships, everything that made the season what it was? How do you make it so every single event never actually mattered? You go and, quite literally, press reset. Seriously, I am genuinely pissed off, and that only grew over the hours I was at work after finishing the show. If Ryuki had ended about halfway through Episode 50 it would have been hands down the best season of Kamen Rider I have ever seen, and it likely would always hold that title. But no, it went and did something completely unforgivable to me. I got emotionally involved and invested in these characters, the dynamics between them, and to go and pull that crap was just wrong. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not all about doom and gloom, I don't think a series has to have a sad ending to be good, but a season like Ryuki? It ended perfectly with Ren slouched on the floor in Eri's room, likely dead, and then cutting to the broken glass showing all these characters we grew to know, possibly to care about, knowing what they have gone through, having seen them all come to their untimely end because of one man's selfish wish, it was the perfect ending. And then they simply press reset, everyone goes back to normal, nothing ever happened. And why does this piss me off so much? Because it invalidates the entire series. All that character growth? Gone. The relationships? Never happened. The entirety of the show was rendered meaningless. Yes yes I understand the whole thing with Shirou and Yui, that doesn't excuse it. At the very least those involved should have remembered. I know they kinda hint at that with Ren (who really had no business showing up at Atori like he did, considering his entire reason for being involved there revolved around Yui and the war between the riders, it was just how they decided to neatly tie the ending together, ditto with Megumi working at ORE Journal, what the hell? Sorry for going on and ranting like that, but it just pissed me off. The season was so damn good, it brought tears to my eyes at the end, and I just feel like they were wasted....AGAIN. Trying to think of what else I have to say. I ended up really liking the mirror world aspect. It was cool in concept, creepy and unnerving in execution, and the use of sound when someone or something was coming from mirror world...brilliant, that very shrill noise just makes you feel incredibly uneasy. I especially loved that people, not just main characters, but average every day citizens actually were killed off...pretty much in every single episode at that. I just came off of watching W and Fourze before this, and have been watching Wizard as it goes on and you just don't see anything like that in those. Hell deaths in general are pretty rare occurrences in the more recent seasons from what I've seen, yet Ryuki has main characters, side characters, villains, etc. all having pretty violent deaths, even if they are mostly implied. And some of the ramifications of those deaths are heart-wrenching, such as when Toujou kills Sagawa, leaving behind his wife and child...that hit really hard, and then seeing him sacrifice himself to save another father and son, which I will admit felt incredibly out of character for him in a sense, despite it concluded his whole wanting to be a hero schtick. Or OMFG when Shinji sacrificed himself, getting stung in the back by one of the mirror monsters...seeing him bleeding out after he and Ren fight them off, that was just...wow, and probably one of the most important scenes in the season, that being the moment that really pushes Ren, it humanizes him. Here's the guy that wanted the fighting to stop, his whole goal was to put an end to it, to stop the killing, and he was so painfully conflicted over it, and he died fighting, and Ren finally accepted the bond they shared as friends, it was a really powerful episode. And as I said, I loved the characters, Shuuichi was one that really really grew on me over the course of the season, as did Gorou. And again just the dynamic between the riders, rivals meant to fight to the death, and they almost grow this bond and friendship between them, despite what they have been tasked with ultimately doing, it made it all the harder to see them grow so close. I really really want to say that Ryuki was my favorite series, it deserves that distinction. I just find it really hard to when the last bit of episode 50 really really pissed me off. Oh, and the opening is easily on of my favorites by far, especially when it gets to the chorus with Ryuki surrounded by mirrors and the sparks all around him...just love it. Either that or W Boiled Extreme are my favorite openings of any season I've seen so far.
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03-09-2013, 07:09 AM | #2964 |
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Man I loved Ryuki! I'm not much bothered by what happened at the end it never lessened how much I liked it. And wasn't it such a strong cast of characters? I think that's one of the draws of this show is that while it had a huge cast, they were pretty memorable.
Anyway, finished episodes 2 & 3 of Blade. We're introduced to the third rider Hajime AKA Chalice. Well they didn't bother to hide that he's an Undead what with the green blood and all. And they have they're own language too ala Grongi of Kuuga. And we have a bit of explanation as to why Tachibana betrayed BOARD. Don't know if his right but I think he thinks he is.
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03-09-2013, 07:09 AM | #2965 |
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Sorry double posted
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03-09-2013, 10:42 AM | #2966 |
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The ending of Ryuki never bothered me either. It's not a giant middle finger like Dairanger where the story just repeats itself. If you watch the Ryuki movies then the ending of the show can be taken in a better context. Yes it was a reset but Kanzaki fills in why in the movies. He was attempting to create the perfect reality, the perfect outcome for the war. The TV ending was the one that satisfied him, that got the results he wanted. So as a gift to the riders he used and allowed to die he gave them their lives back as though it had never happened.
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03-09-2013, 11:11 AM | #2967 |
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Once again, the ending to DaiRanger did not stick up a middle finger. The rangers defeated Shadam and stopped the Earth from being destroyed by Great God Dragon. It just states that a war that has gone on for centuries is not going to end in one small year long conflict, which was far more realistic than, "main bad leader is dead, war is over people." That is all I can say here without bringing political discussions into it. Is it a perfect ending? No. Is it a realistic ending that fits the serious themes of DaiRanger? Yes.
Anyway, my favorite rider opening is Break the Chain. The song is awesome (especially the non-tv edit version). The video itself is pretty bad ass, especially the cinematography used in it. I also really love the first Blade opening too. As for Ryuki, again, the movies to me are not canon at all. They do not count, they do not exist, and that is what makes me more mad that they built this show up around 13 riders and only bothered to feature 10 of them in the actual story. I don't buy the whole, "this is what could have happened" bit because we never actually saw Kanzaki reset the world in the movie or either of the 13 rider endings. If the movie had continued when Ren and Shinji went off the fight those giant bugs with Kanzaki actually revealing who Odin was, and using Odin to reset the universe, then I could except that belief, but it didn't happen. Even Yui's origin is too different in the movie from how it actually happened in the tv series. Last edited by Dr Kain; 03-09-2013 at 11:18 AM.. |
03-09-2013, 11:16 AM | #2968 |
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Once again, the ending to DaiRanger did not stick up a middle finger. The rangers defeated Shadam and stopped the Earth from being destroyed by Great God Dragon. It just states that a war that has gone on for centuries is not going to end in one small year long conflict, which was far more realistic than, "main bad leader is dead, war is over people." That is all I can say here without bringing political discussions into it. Is it a perfect ending? No. Is it a realistic ending that fits the serious themes of DaiRanger? Yes.
At least with Ryuki there is resolution. The sacrifices and struggles of all the characters resulted in their lives being better than they'd been before. They got to have that war expunged from them. They never had to suffer through that again. An ending without resolution is pointless. AKA (in my opinion) Dairanger, a cyclical war. I know it's your favorite show and no matter what anyone says you'll defend it, but at the end of the day there's a logical argument for that being a terrible ending and yes, a middle finger to fans.
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03-09-2013, 11:21 AM | #2969 |
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Except that it did. The ENTIRE series is invalidated because the struggles and sacrifices meant nothing. In the end the battle quite literally repeats itself. It doesn't matter that it's a long war or can't be solved in a year or whatever. The descendants of the very people who fought the war in the first place are perpetually forced to continue fighting it. It never ends.
At least with Ryuki there is resolution. The sacrifices and struggles of all the characters resulted in their lives being better than they'd been before. They got to have that war expunged from them. They never had to suffer through that again. An ending without resolution is pointless. AKA (in my opinion) Dairanger, a cyclical war. I know it's your favorite show and no matter what anyone says you'll defend it, but at the end of the day there's a logical argument for that being a terrible ending and yes, a middle finger to fans. |
03-09-2013, 11:24 AM | #2970 |
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Still watching Dairanger, I can't really comment, but that doesn't sound realistic. Wars do end.
The biggest problem is that a viewer just spent 50 episodes to watch nothing happen, since the efforts of these characters is ultimately useless. It'd be like if Saving Private Ryan ended with Ryan getting sniped by a unseen sniper under the vein of "It's more realistic that way."
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