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05-05-2020, 02:49 AM | #11 |
TokuKnight89
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Everyone says "New toys every other episode is damaging", and while there is legitimacy behind that theory, there are also questions.
Gokaiger did the same thing, and Go-Busters didn't and had terrible toy sales (though Go-Busters was more experimental and could have had terrible toy sales for far different reasons cause the show and its story and characters didn't completely do it for kids). A buddy of mine was unimpressed with the Ryusoulger Dinos (I've mentioned this before) and praised Daizyujin for having a more seamless form where everything went together precisely; every creature had a part and role to play and the final form was whole and beautiful. Having a combination that looks and pops as seamless and intentional is better than the "slapping-things-together-haphazardly-and-calling-it-a-day" Mecha! If new vehicles/animals appear, they should appear more infrequently. To compensate, experiment by having a Main Mecha which can adopt multiple forms on its own. For example, Shurikenjin could switch Shinobimaru out in favor of Dragomaru to form Shurikenjin Drago. Another compensation would be a Main Mecha which has multiple attacks and more than one finisher! I'm in the middle of Bioman and Bio Robo has multiple sword-themed attacks...and Bioman was back in '84 when formula was everything! If an Auxiliary Mecha should appear, it should appear much later and be a seamless addition/replacement to the Main Mecha rather than just arm-swapping. Another idea is to be more experimental with formula. Make it so there is a reason for the Mecha and Giant Monsters to be there and not just a random element meant to push some toys. Experimentation can also come in the form of more role-play items rather than just Auxiliary Mecha. Having a figures or weapons might be nice addition rather than just focusing on Mecha. It might also be a benefit if a new team weapon could be used by the Main Mecha in some fashion. If a Ranger can use a new sword, why not a "Megazord"!? Also, don't make villains so predictable. Not all threats have to come from space. Straddle a line between origins and don't hesitate to make a villain sympathetic (if only up to a certain point). Rangers don't have to follow a standard color pattern. Sure, there will always be a Red, but can't we have a Gold or White take over for Yellow and Pink!? When has there been a truly Blue Sixth Ranger? Some would argue this is similar to Kyuranger, and that isn't totally wrong, but Kyuranger naturally had a large number and could be considered an exception to the rule based solely on that naturally large number. The number of Rangers doesn't have to stop at six, either. Seven or eight Rangers wouldn't be a bad thing in the slightest, especially if you have less Auxiliary Mecha. As I type this, a thought occurs: It's been too long since we had an Armored Extra Hero, like Ninjaman or Gunmajin. I don't mean a Robotic Ranger like Beet J. Stag or Balance, I literally mean an Armored Extra like the ones who saved Goseiger in the 199 and who's Ranger Keys were later used as drones by Basco. Lupin Magnum had all the appearance of an Extra Hero, but wasn't sentient. Gaisorg/Nada was close to the idea, but not involved or on-screen enough to really qualify. Armored Extra Heroes can transform as needed and enlarge themselves at will. This will necessitate a figure and compensate for the lack of Auxiliary Mecha. Being mindful about plot could also mean that one should look inward at the Sentai formula and perhaps ask questions: Should Rangers be fighting these villains? Are the villains in the right (again, up to a point)? Should a team of youngsters be trusted with high-tech vehicles or armored animals which unite? Can the Mentor be truly trusted? Could public trust be swayed by a sudden revelation and not because a monster is manipulating people? Could a Sentai become so maligned and concerning that the other Sentai are actively trying to stop them, prompting a Sentai VS. Sentai conflict not unlike the Heisei Riders VS. Showa Riders Movie? One more thing: Should there come a point when the entire team as to fight the obligatory Red, possibly leading to a stage when someone has to take his power and use it as a newer and different Red? These are my questions and pecking points as of now. I don't know if they would make Sentai "amazing again", but I would like to think they could make it truly interesting again. I don't want to make Sentai too dark and incapable of inspiring people, but challenging the mythos and taking chances make for interesting storytelling. |
05-05-2020, 02:59 AM | #12 |
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IMO Tone down the Red focus make the Red more like Shinkenger/Gokaiger/Zuyohger where he's not an idiot (I view Sentai as the brighter show and Kamen Rider as the darker show like even before the 2010's and that's fine by me)
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05-05-2020, 03:02 AM | #13 |
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Funny, I think KyurenOh is one of the better example of mecha system, and it's basically ShinkenOh. Also speaking of toys, I'd argue that Ultraman nowadays is even more toyetic especially with how they literally show you how to use the toys every episode. But it gets glossed over as Ultraman feature great storytelling and action scenes.
And that's what Sentai also suffers. Half of its merchandise are toys, but in most of Sentai seasons, the mecha fights felt like an afterthought as well as rushed. This shows even in Ryusoulger, a show where I praised the mecha fights for being like Ultraman-ish. So far Kiramager seems to avert this, but that's mostly because the Zords are sentient, giving them a priority Last edited by Mmicb0b; 05-05-2020 at 03:22 AM.. |
05-05-2020, 03:06 AM | #14 |
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I think Sentai should consider adopting a more serialized storyline. Outside of the occasional two-parter, most Sentai series are full of standalone, done-in-one episodes. I think this fact, especially when coupled with Sentai's willingness to go back to a lot of stock plots and situations, leaves the shows feeling like they lack much direction beyond the current monster of the week. Going with something more like Gaim (structurally, not tonally) would do Sentai a world of good. Have an ongoing main plot that continues across at least a good portion of the entire season and use that as the primary tool to develop the characters. I think it would really help the show to break out of the pattern of spotlight episodes scattered between new toy episodes.
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05-05-2020, 03:11 AM | #15 |
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this too I Am fine with Sentai being the brighter alternative to Kamen Rider but now we're getting to the point where Ultraman is starting to overtake Sentai in that department it used to be Sentai were the big boys of Toku then Kamen Rider then Ultraman now it's Kamen Rider then Sentai but Ultaman is catching up AND FAST characters don't need annoying quirks/tics to be memorable (I'm not saying you CAN'T HAVE them But the problem is they overdo them case and point the ammount of Yosha Lucky moments that pretty much exist for no reason other than filling air time)
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05-05-2020, 07:18 AM | #16 |
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Sorry I couldn't quote you guys directly for simplicity's sake but
@TokuKnight89 I've been wanting to mention this for a long time now, since you said that Sentai should have more Extra Hero. Well considering that Kamen Rider now has at least 3 Riders per show and Third Riders are a guarantee, do you think Sentai should properly introduce an official 7th Ranger or something? It could help that sonce 6th Rangers nowadays are usually gold and silver, so they could have the 7th Ranger to be a random color. @Mmicb0b Ohhh I would to complain about Riders shoving toys. Remember when form changes are cool and each serve their own purpose? Nowadays they tend to shove so many forms onto the main Rider only for them to become moot when the Riders obtain the first upgrade. Also yeah, it seems like what Sentai needs to do to he amazing again is to make more serialized storyline. The Hebitsukai Metal story arc was pretty good and slightly redeem Kyuranger. Even Ryusoulger was praised because it's final arc was a continuous story arc. And to top it off, Gaim become a fan favorite because they became serialized, up till then the shows are often two parter, and by Wizard people are tired of it due to the two parters being excuse for filler style writing. Even Drive didn't become amazing up till they properly start to do serialized storytelling. But all in all, it doesn't need to be completely serialized. You need some episodic content, and it is why Ultraman nowadays is a success because they have a balance of serialized and episodic format.
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05-05-2020, 07:40 AM | #17 |
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I'm honestly not sure why they don't introduce more rangers much more regularly. There's multiple major upgrade mechas, so introducing a new ranger would work out naturally.
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05-05-2020, 08:41 AM | #18 |
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The trifecta of a strong Japanese property is TV show, toys, & video games.
Super Sentai and even Kamen Rider have always lacked on that third one. Franchises like Pokemon, Yokai Watch, and Beyblade have been able to push endless amounts of toys and accessories because there's enough in the show and games to keep people interested consistently. Narratively, I'm not personally into the idea, but a stronger connective tie between each season ensures people don't feel left out in the cold after a season ends and we move on to the next series and the next wave of toys. You can only do that a few series in a row before you burn out and stare at your toy collection that ceases to have meaning and relevance. Ultraman does a good job at keeping each series connected and feeling relevant. Zero was a popular ultra and he still makes appearances that are more than shallow cameos. Again on a personal note, I think smaller teams are better. There's just not enough time to build character and have growth and adequate arcs when there are more than like 6 rangers. |
05-05-2020, 09:50 AM | #19 |
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Because in Sentai we all know that Red and 6th gets the focus, while the other 4 are sadly cheerleaders and only gets focus in am episodic format.
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05-05-2020, 11:12 AM | #20 |
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Also another problem is I feel like Sentai's gotten WAY TOO MUCH COMPLACENT most shows have idiot red 4 people who become cheerleaders gold/silver is introduced since 2013 so it's this video
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