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10-11-2012, 02:55 PM | #1 |
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Board Member Ryan started this conversation, and I just wanted to move it out of the SH Figuart Thread. And into it's own thread.
What counts as a Rider's Final Form? And I'll start from where we left off: Which was Den-O Liner vs Den-O Climax (Super). And honestly? I'm still falling under Liner being the Final Form. I don't like counting Movie Exclusive Forms as their ultimate form. Like Meteor Fusion, or Super TaToBa. Fourze's Ultimate is Cosmic, and OOO's is PuPoTyra. (And now OOO will yell because I got it wrong, but I doing that abreviation from memory... So bite me, OOO ) I honestly like Den-O Liner Form alot better to because the Imagine become swords, and he can fight without one all together if he wanted. But that's me. |
10-11-2012, 03:07 PM | #2 |
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I'm just gonna quote what I said in the Figuarts thread:
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No. Super Climax in reality is his Final Form. Liner is great and all but as Matrixbeast said it only exists due to the Imagin being unable to possess him at a certain point. Without them to possess him it can't tap into the full sum of Den-O's power. Liner might be on the same level power wise as normal Climax but I would never call it the final form. I would reserve that for Super Climax since it is in fact an upgrade of what would be his, arguably, most powerful form.
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10-11-2012, 03:14 PM | #3 |
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meteor fusion is not a final form, super tatoba/super climax is imo.
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10-11-2012, 03:20 PM | #4 |
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For me, what makes a good final form is that it has to:
1. Be significantly more powerful than the regular. 2. Base itself off of a powered up version of the regular power source (Blade uses a card, King form uses the deck; OOO uses regular Core medals, PuToTyra uses unique Core medals; etc.) - this is what makes Climax form my choice instead of Liner, by the way - four Imagin instead of one. 3. Have some kind of drawback (Ultimate Kuuga and King Form Blade consume the user's soul, Stronger Charge Up will kill him if he doesn't use up all the energy, etc.) 4. Has to appear more than once (even Ultimate Kuuga managed that - this cuts off things like Super TaToBa or Meteor Fusion). Number 3 is tragically underused, sadly. PuToTyra's the first final form in awhile that's had any kind of drawback (berserker fury). I like it when a final form has that, though, as it makes it feel more like a weapon of desperation, not something that can be spammed easily (coughEmperorKivacough). |
10-11-2012, 03:23 PM | #5 |
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In a literal sense, yes, Liner is the final form for Den-O.
However, the the matter of which the term "Final Form" is used is generally used to denote their most powerful form, not their literal last form obtained, which in Den-O's case, would be Climax. Quote:
For me, what makes a good final form is that it has to:
1. Be significantly more powerful than the regular. 2. Base itself off of a powered up version of the regular power source (Blade uses a card, King form uses the deck; OOO uses regular Core medals, PuToTyra uses unique Core medals; etc.) - this is what makes Climax form my choice instead of Liner, by the way - four Imagin instead of one. 3. Have some kind of drawback (Ultimate Kuuga and King Form Blade consume the user's soul, Stronger Charge Up will kill him if he doesn't use up all the energy, etc.) 4. Has to appear more than once (even Ultimate Kuuga managed that - this cuts off things like Super TaToBa or Meteor Fusion). Number 3 is tragically underused, sadly. PuToTyra's the first final form in awhile that's had any kind of drawback (berserker fury). I like it when a final form has that, though, as it makes it feel more like a weapon of desperation, not something that can be spammed easily (coughEmperorKivacough).
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10-11-2012, 03:37 PM | #6 |
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For the OOO issue, I have been back and forth on it. He lost the purple cores at the end of the series, and gained Super TaToBa in Megamax. But then he had a copy of the purple Cores in SuperHero Taisen, so I'd put them as so
Final Form (Power Based)- PuToTyra Final Form (Balanced abilities)- Super TaToBa
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10-11-2012, 03:45 PM | #7 |
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I think alot of my adversion to Climax is alot to do with how it looks, to be honest. I don't like how all the masks become his armor, I don't like how it looks like a two-year went nuts with hot glue gun. Liner is more uniformed, more cohesive. And in my opnion: more powerful.
But I also see how Super Climax could be considered his Final Form. I respect your opinion, but you won't change my mind about it being Liner. So what would you guys count as Fourze's then? Cosmic Meteor Fusion Rocket States Whatever the States will be when he combines with those other two? For me it's Cosmic. It has a real power up, it has a real draw back n if he doesn't believe in his friends it's gone. And has a real sense of "This is the Ultimate Fourze". |
10-11-2012, 03:54 PM | #8 |
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Wouldn't super TaToBa technically just be a future version of TaToBa? I mean whats to say there isn't a super TaJaDol medal set or some crazy combo that Kougami made?
So yeah, for me personally it'd be PuToTyra. As for others... Den-O is super climax form. It's a power up of his most powerful form and is used more than once. I like liner better design wise but it was dependent on Ryotaro's strength and skill, and he didn't have a lot of that =p W's would be cyclone joker extreme... His gold upgrade is more of fluke then a directly controllable power up, so I'd say it doesn't count. Can't really say about Fourze, without seeing how Fusion states is created, but it's probably going to be cosmic. Think that's everybody... |
10-11-2012, 03:58 PM | #9 |
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10-12-2012, 05:43 AM | #10 |
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Personally this is my choice for the more debatable riders.
Kuuga - Ultimate Because this is the actual Kuuga's final form. Heisei Riders from Decade series always seems to be replica's of the actual riders to me. Den-O - Super Climax Because it's more powerful then Liner form. Has all 5 imagins fused with him, as per how his base forms are but this is with all 5. Liner form to me, is like a form without the imagins. OOO - Super Tatoba Because it's the power up of his original medals. If Putotyra is the final form, what makes the core medals? Just because it's stronger becase of the berserk nature, does it mean it's on a higher league then the other medals? Fourze - Cosmic Almost the same reasons as Den-O. A combination of all his switches. Did not choose Meteor Fusion because he needs the Meteor switch, which I suppose rightfully is not his. Just my 2 cents. :P |
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