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01-04-2020, 01:01 PM | #1 |
Kamen Ride Or Die
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It's a little weird, not to be watching any Kamen Rider right this minute. (Unless the third season of The Crown counts as a Rider show? Most of the main characters do form change heading into the new season. They've got upgraded power levels, which is cool, but I'm a little ambivalent about how many lines they've added to the previously-clean designs. I'll see how it goes!) But, while I'm not watching Kamen Rider, I am thinking about Kamen Rider.
I was thinking, specifically, about primary and secondary Riders. I really enjoy it when the secondary Riders reflect and comment on the main Rider, the ways they feel like a conversation about the themes of the main Rider. Like, Ex-Aid. Emu is an empathetic man who tries to incorporate his competitive skills to be a better doctor. So, every other Rider character in the show has to comment on that. Brave has the better medical skills, but lacks the empathy. Snipe has the skills and the innate empathy, but lacks the support to harness them. Para-DX is all of the competitive skill with none of the empathy. And so on. When everything can work together, stretching out from the core like spokes in a wheel, the show can be something truly special. So, of course, my instinct is to screw around with that. Can we do a little thought experiment? Is that cool? What if we took a primary Rider, a Wizard or OOO or Build, and paired them with a different secondary Rider for a story? What would be a fun combo? What story could you tell with them working together? For the purposes of this experiment, nothing's off the table. Any title-character Rider, paired with any secondary Rider. I'll even allow any secondary Rider-ish character to be an option, i.e. But Who Gets Stuck With Ankh. I'm super curious what weird combos people can come up with, and what funny/poignant/awesome stories might come from those combos. Thanks for thinking about this with me!
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01-04-2020, 01:53 PM | #2 |
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Fourze and Kaixa simply put these two as charcters together are like oil and water.
Gentaro is a optimistic, stubborn man who believes in friendship. But he can also see if people are being genuine. His attitude is why he made so many friends it led to him being friends with everyone. Kusaka is the complete opposite he's a scheming, manipultive sociopath who would murder puppies if it would benfit him. In the show he would attempt to physcially and mentally harm Takumi, muder a child, is a racist and attempt some less than acceptiple things towards Mari. And in a later crossover attempt make a depressed Takumi to just give up since ,"he someone who has nothing to live for" So Gentaro and Kusaka can't get along which leads to two types of story either Gentaro actually able to reform the guy by seeing past his nice persona and see just how messed up a person and geninuinly trying to help him. Or Kusaka ends up how he did in his own show with nothing Gentaro does changing him because if time travel can't change Kusaka what will? Giving us a bleak outlook that sometimes even with your best effort some people simply don't want help or your help can't change anything. Last edited by GrandComplete; 01-04-2020 at 01:57 PM.. |
01-04-2020, 02:45 PM | #3 |
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What a fantastic idea. I'm a sucker for thematic matches, so the following come to mind:
Drive and Accel. Granted, they kind of did this themselves already in "Kamen Rider Drive Saga: Kamen Rider Chaser", but it's too good of a combo to not feature in a dedicated story. I'm imagining Roidmudes getting their hands on Gaia Memories forcing both jurisdictions to work together, which of course isn't going as smoothly as one would hope. We already kind of have an understanding of how these characters would interact because of the official crossover so I don't really need to explain it further. Ex-Aid and Birth. Mostly because Ex-Aid had all kind of doctors, but none of them are like Akira Date: A doctor who works in crisis hotspots and tries to make the world a better place in the direst of places. Seeing him work off of the cast and interact with Emu, Hiiro and Taiga would be interesting. Honestly I don’t have a particularly good idea how it would happen, knowing Date he might just pass through town when a particularly nasty Bugster infection takes place and he offers his help. For cash money, of course. Kiva and Specter. Ghost is icky and I don't like it, but giving Kiva another "supernatural" Rider to work with could be fun. And I prefer this combination over something from Wizard simply because the characters wouldn’t mix as well. Wataru on the other hand would clash so well with Makoto. Wataru is soft, undecided and often lost in the world, Makoto sternly moves forward with a single goal in mind. They would annoy each other to no end and I'm there for it. Plus, it would all be worth it once the vampire and the ghost kick some Fangire-butt together. As an enemy I imagine a special Nightmarish Fangire who can travel between worlds and has knowledge of the Gamma plane of existence. And now for something completely random which I came up with just because: Build and Baron. Simply because Sento's ideals of "Love and peace" and Kaito's "Power through transcending compassion" would make them bitter enemies. It's not much of a team-up but rather a confrontation so their story would actually be more about convincing the other than anything else. Also, Banana & Knight Fullbottles for more crazy combos. |
01-04-2020, 03:17 PM | #4 |
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Drive with Zolda.
Shinnosuke's had to deal with a lot of heck from the more corrupt areas of the police department during his run, along with a bunch of other external threats. But what about going up against someone using the law itself? The concept of an idealistic, heroic policeman going up against a corrupt self-serving lawyer - both of them in silly superhero suits fighting monsters - sells itself. Hell, a LOT of the Ryuki riders could be interesting for Shinnosuke to deal with. Scissors is a corrupt policeman; Ouja is a literal convicted serial killer; Gai is a rich kid who gets away with whatever he wants; Knight himself could be interesting from an investigative angle -- who's this mysterious standoffish dude with a ton of money and a rider belt? Besides, I'm sure Shinji would appreciate having one nice person around who doesn't die. Going back to Zolda for a hot second, actually; wouldn't such a lawyer with a terminal illness also be someone interesting for the main Ex-Aid riders to contend with; even if just for a one-off episode sort of thing? ... for someone who didn't find Ryuki that good, I sure do find a lot of potential in its characters; huh?
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01-04-2020, 04:28 PM | #5 |
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I haven't done Ryuki or Faiz yet (soon!), so I can't comment on those except to say how awesome they sound. But Ex-Aid and OOO? Hell YES.
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Ex-Aid and Birth. Mostly because Ex-Aid had all kind of doctors, but none of them are like Akira Date: A doctor who works in crisis hotspots and tries to make the world a better place in the direst of places. Seeing him work off of the cast and interact with Emu, Hiiro and Taiga would be interesting. Honestly I don’t have a particularly good idea how it would happen, knowing Date he might just pass through town when a particularly nasty Bugster infection takes place and he offers his help. For cash money, of course.
I can see him working as a Medical Mercenary, helping out some rich guy who's come down with a Bugster infection, putting him at slight cross purposes with the CR team. It'd be a fun way, through a children's superhero action program, to explore the difficulty of balancing the altruism inherent in the Hippocratic oath (Emu) with the financial realities of life in a capitalistic society (Akira).
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01-04-2020, 05:54 PM | #6 |
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Kusaka and Date + anyone. Because really, no one would be able to bear them and seeing them die various alternate ways would be great.
Or heck, pair them with eachother. They'd make great friends, I'm sure. (slight hyperbole on that but still, hate 'em both). For a for real answer, Hikawa from Agito and Goto from OOO trading place would be rather interesting, considering they share alot of similar motifs, yet had to deal with rather different situations. |
01-04-2020, 07:40 PM | #7 |
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I'm gonna pair my boy Ryotaro with the ultimate musclehead, Banjo Ryuga. Why, you may ask? Well, Ryotaro is similar to Sento, but on a far more chilled, and far less lucky level. He fights for love and peace, sure, but with none of the genius, and far more quiet empathy. And, compared to any of the other Riders except maybe Shinji, he's not much of a fighter, effectively retiring at the end of the series (until, ya know, the abomination that is Climax Deka). Banjo meanwhile, also means well, but is much more of a fighter, far more brash and with his empathy buried just under the surface. Plus, he's very different from Yuuto, in that he isn't outwardly antagonistic, he's just very boisterous. Both Rders fight for Love and Peace, but in such different ways, idk, I just think it would be interesting (Plus no-one had done Den-O yet)
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01-04-2020, 08:23 PM | #8 |
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I'm gonna pair my boy Ryotaro with the ultimate musclehead, Banjo Ryuga. Why, you may ask? Well, Ryotaro is similar to Sento, but on a far more chilled, and far less lucky level. He fights for love and peace, sure, but with none of the genius, and far more quiet empathy. And, compared to any of the other Riders except maybe Shinji, he's not much of a fighter, effectively retiring at the end of the series (until, ya know, the abomination that is Climax Deka). Banjo meanwhile, also means well, but is much more of a fighter, far more brash and with his empathy buried just under the surface. Plus, he's very different from Yuuto, in that he isn't outwardly antagonistic, he's just very boisterous. Both Rders fight for Love and Peace, but in such different ways, idk, I just think it would be interesting (Plus no-one had done Den-O yet)
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01-04-2020, 10:18 PM | #9 |
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I'd do Drive with Vulcan. Because if you look at it, Fuwa has a lot in common with Shinnosuke: Both of them were traumatized by an event that marked the start of a robot attack, and now both of them mercilessly destroy those robots, with no intention of helping them live in peace with humanity (unlike Aruto). But their attitudes towards it are completely different. Shinnosuke has no hatred of Roidmudes and only regretfully fights them because he's left with no choice. Fuwa, on the other hand, hates Humagears and doesn't believe they could ever live in peace with humans. In many ways, I think Fuwa is what Shinnosuke would've become if he'd let the Global Freeze consume him with rage and hate, and it's cool to have characters who come from similar backstories but grew from them in very different ways.
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01-04-2020, 10:27 PM | #10 |
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On a less serious note, Fourze and Cross-Z. Just to see Gentaro and Banjou being hot-blooded bros together.
If you kept their ages from their respective series (instead of aging Banjou down to a high schooler to fit in Fourze's story), it could even be neat to see Cross-Z taking a kind of big brotherly mentor role to Fourze. I don't know if there's been a KR season where the second rider was a mentor to the main rider before. |
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