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10-03-2019, 11:35 AM | #181 |
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That "Yo" is the capstone of the episode, really. Everything that comes before is horrible, tearjerking stuff, with Misora and Kazumin's actors selling it perfectly. And then Evolt walks in, and punctures the sombre mood with with a pin.
Also, vis-a-vis the movie, totally agree with everything on the Banjou/Sento stuff and Team Blood (aka Team "That guy in your group project that claims they did the powerpoint when in fact it was everyone but them"), but I feel the plot does say something else about Sento's character. He's always been a self-defeatist, from the Hokuto War arc to the ending, so it makes sense he'd instantly assume they all truly hate him, because it almost seems to be his default. Everything (in Sento's mind) is his fauly, and his philosophy can easily fit in "fighting for people who don't even like you, because of love and peace" rather than something more like Grease and Rogue's "fighting for your country and it's citizens". Idk, maybe I'm saying nonsense, and it is a stupid flaw of the film, but I can see some insight into his personality from it.
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10-03-2019, 11:42 AM | #182 |
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Also, vis-a-vis the movie, totally agree with everything on the Banjou/Sento stuff and Team Blood (aka Team "That guy in your group project that claims they did the powerpoint when in fact it was everyone but them"), but I feel the plot does say something else about Sento's character. He's always been a self-defeatist, from the Hokuto War arc to the ending, so it makes sense he'd instantly assume they all truly hate him, because it almost seems to be his default. Everything (in Sento's mind) is his fauly, and his philosophy can easily fit in "fighting for people who don't even like you, because of love and peace" rather than something more like Grease and Rogue's "fighting for your country and it's citizens". Idk, maybe I'm saying nonsense, and it is a stupid flaw of the film, but I can see some insight into his personality from it.
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10-03-2019, 11:56 AM | #183 |
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I mean, it's a good point, that Sento's weird need to take responsibility for every bad thing that happened since the Sky Wall Disaster would allow him to think that the country hates him, and all Riders by association. It's just, that's the sort of character trait (caring how the country viewed him) that I don't really recall the show exhibiting much, outwardly, and it never seemed as personally damaging to Sento as the more direct attacks against his friends and/or Takumi's pre-Sento decisions. Like a lot of movie choices (and not just this movie!), it's a big idea that's given so little establishment. It's rushed, and the story suffers for it. I'm not sure why so few of the movies seem to understand how much story they can tell during their runtimes.
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10-03-2019, 12:58 PM | #184 |
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I guess it plays into Sento's ideal of fighting for Love and Peace contrasting with what his fight actually seems to be bringing people (or, at least, what Blood has them brainwashed into being). It's not perfect, and I'm not the biggest fan of the movie, but it's something. More cohesive than True Ending, at least.
Alternately, yeah, maybe it's better to try too many things and fumble a bit than try to do too little and just be forgettable. I don't think I'll ever forget the Kamen Rider movie where civilians threw themselves out of helicopters to try to kill a superhero.
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10-03-2019, 02:53 PM | #185 |
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KAMEN RIDER BUILD EPISODES 48 - 49
Wrapping up Build as a series, man, it's hard. It's a very hard thing for them to do. I'm going to go ahead and say that I liked this ending, but I didn't love it. Some of it is that I felt like the New World thing, I don't know how much the show set it up? Thematically, I feel like the idea of Build building a new world for his friends, a world where everyone's back and everyone's happy, Love & Peace, that's a fitting end to Build as a series. All the sacrifices matter but still get rolled back, it's a better version of everyone, it's very sweet and sends the series off on a high note. But the way the mechanics of the resolution don't 100% make sense (Do the people of Earth B not get a vote in this?), the way a lot of this feels so last-minute, it's not a great look. The nuts and bolts feel so thrown together, introducing a bunch of new complications to an already frustratingly complicated final arc. (I honestly don't think I ever understood what the Lost Bottles deal was. I was just, like, "Okay, the villain has to collect ten more things now, got it.") Also, a big chunk of the finale hinges on the people of Japan supporting the Riders, and how big a deal that is after the civil war, and I'm still not sure that storyline played out as well as intended. The biggest drawback, to me, is that we never really saw the average citizen interact with the Riders with anger, or suspicion, or trepidation, or anything. Team Build was in hiding for one reason or another since basically episode 2, which meant that any other wider interactions were left to be inferred. Occasionally there'd be some news coverage of Build being hunted by the Seito military, or a mention that people don't trust Riders, but we never viscerally experienced any of that. For a plot point that would turn out to be so integral to the conclusion, it's weird how much of it was left to the edges. Most of the rest of it is good-to-great, though. Rogue's sacrifice, while not as heart-rending as Grease's, still had a very heroic quality to it, giving that version of Gentoku a nice capper. (That shot where Gentoku dies and the shadow is Rogue! You guys!) The fights looked really good, and while there's not any one bad-ass moment that jumps out to me, the choreography never felt too hectic, or difficult to follow. Evol(t) is fantastic throughout, just being a massive dick to the Riders, and humanity in general. Misora, as always, nails the emotional connection with Sento, making you feel the cost of his decisions. Sawa... was present? None of that was really what the finale was about, though. I mean, it couldn't be. The show wasn't about any of that. It was about Sento and Banjou. I'm not sure any Kamen Rider show I've seen has done a friendship like Build did. Even W, the most clear antecedent to Build, I'm not sure I felt the partnership like I did with Sento and Banjou. They were two people forced into collaboration by the machinations of villainy, who made each other better, made each other heroes, and who together, literally together as one person, created a better world for everyone. It's a little corny to put your final But Why Heroism moment on something like "the real Best Match was the friends we made along the way", but it's absolutely what I wanted out of the end of Build. I wanted something that demonstrated that this series understood how important that friendship was to the show's success. The final moments, as Sento resigns himself to a perfect world that won't include him or his friendship with Banjou, and then Banjou walks up, perplexed by everything (naturally), and they ride off to start recording the intros to the Kamen Rider Build TV show, it's perfect. It's perfect. I love a lot of the characters on this show, and I'm glad they'll get to have more adventures in the future, but I needed Sento and Banjou to be alright in the end. Kamen Rider Build was a pretty fun series. I thought at first it would be genius (those first dozen episodes!), and though they made some hazardous choices (Endless war! Buildad! So many Mars flashbacks and reveals!), I think the series as a whole fairly sparkled. The cast was flawless, the emotions of the story always felt honest and earned, but the Evol(t) megaplot was so convoluted, and I don't know how much the boots-on-the-ground war stories ended up mattering in the last third. It's a very good series, and I've had a fun time watching it and thinking about it. NEXT UP - All of the Build miscellany I didn't hit yet: The Rogue episodes, the Best Matches thing, Henshin Lesson, and can I watch New World Cross-Z if I don't watch Heisei Generations Forever?
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10-03-2019, 03:15 PM | #186 |
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Yeah, New World has nothing to do with Heisei Generations Forever. In fact it's a pretty big thing with fan reaction that HGF2 seems to hover in this very weird continuity of its own that doesn't seem to connect to anything.
So yeah, you can go ahead and watch Cross-Z New World, and the Grease New World BluRay just came out too and is getting subbed soon; so I guess this is a great time. ... even if New World isn't very good Either way, wow, was looking forward to this one. Build's ending is a very controversial one, and even as someone who loves Build more than any other Rider bar OOO... I will have to say that it's despite that ending. There's a lot of things about it that I like, pretty much you've already gone over it; Rogue's death, SentoXBanjou, the thematics of creating a new world... but how they get there is so, so important, and it was done just so awfully here that I can't help but headcanon my own ending and rewrites. In general Build is a series I feel falls off hard in the last third and I've got a lot of problems with that, but as I said; second favourite rider. Still adore it, still love so much of what it did, and you've gone a long way in reminding me just what it is I did like about it. Great thread! |
10-03-2019, 03:37 PM | #187 |
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Either way, wow, was looking forward to this one. Build's ending is a very controversial one, and even as someone who loves Build more than any other Rider bar OOO... I will have to say that it's despite that ending. There's a lot of things about it that I like, pretty much you've already gone over it; Rogue's death, SentoXBanjou, the thematics of creating a new world... but how they get there is so, so important, and it was done just so awfully here that I can't help but headcanon my own ending and rewrites.
In general Build is a series I feel falls off hard in the last third and I've got a lot of problems with that, but as I said; second favourite rider. Still adore it, still love so much of what it did, and you've gone a long way in reminding me just what it is I did like about it. Great thread! For Build, hmm, yeah, that ending. Gaim had a similar thing for me, where I'd look at the ending arc and think back to the beginning arc and go, "Why did I need to know all of those things that are completely irrelevant now?" And I liked the beginning arc for Build! The apocalyptic battle against Evol(t) just feels a world away (sorry) from the Warring States stuff in the first two-thirds of Build. It's too big, too divorced from the motivations the characters previously had. Like, just bringing the Sky Wall down would've felt like a huge ending to me. A whole new world is maybe too grandiose? But it's so happy for everyone I can't be too mad at it? I don't know. Endings like this, I feel like I gotta let it sit with me for a minute. Good to know that I can watch New World, sad to hear it may not be great. Oh no!
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10-03-2019, 03:40 PM | #188 |
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I will put in a tentative recommendation for the Build Final Stage here. As a stage show it's a bit goofy and a bit of a retread, it's not a must-watch by any means, probably isn't canon, but...if you want some more of that good Build humor and character interactions I think it's a worthwhile watch. Without going into it with too many expectations, I think it felt like a very genuine and fun Build story.
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10-03-2019, 04:27 PM | #189 |
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The show didn't, but Generations Final (comfirmed within the show to be canon) did. In fact, the villain had a similar idea. And Zi-Oh confirmed that, yes, the world they merged with was indeed the world of the other Kamen Riders.
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10-03-2019, 05:42 PM | #190 |
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Man, I'm getting some serious deja vu here!
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Oh, and before I forget, my misgivings toward the final arc were why I wrote this about a month ago: That didn't elicit an "oh no!" from you, so I guess I did an okay job playing coy.
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