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01-23-2021, 11:57 PM | #751 |
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Honestly, my favorite heroic moment is Yaguruma's arrival for the final showdown with Trench Coat Guy mk. 2. Still deeply in his emo phase, but also showing why he's probably the only truly competent Rider outside of Tendou and Kagami. But we have Hiyori back, and that's great. Too bad it might come at the expense of Dark Kabuto killing everybody. |
01-24-2021, 12:05 AM | #752 |
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It's definitely not the triumphant return of TheBee. What a tragic and ignominious final ride for what had once been Kabuto's greatest rival (and still is the show's best looking suit). Kageyama was so into it, too; he even changed back into his old power suit. Unfortunately, he's still just complete shit at... well, everything, basically.
I've always loved that, Leather Outlet Store trappings or not, Yaguruma fundamentally doesn't change. His motivation for joining the fight isn't any high-minded ideals or newfound love for teaming with Kabuto. It's just, someone messed with his followers, so now Yaguruma's gotta mess 'em up in return. He's not even really doing it because he likes or respects Kageyama, I think. He's doing it because of how it reflects back on him, and the pettiness of that motivation... it's everything to me.
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01-24-2021, 10:29 AM | #753 |
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KAMEN RIDER KABUTO - EPISODE 44
But, man, a pretty great second half, right? I thought it was. Having Tendou go off to convince Hiyori to come home while Kagami just gets his ass kicked forever, that’s those guys! That’s how they operate! Tendou is the one who figures out the way to win, the secret to victory. Kagami’s the one who never quits, absorbs the punishment, supports his friends. If the strategy depends on those two acting that way, there really is no chance of failure. So much of the second half of this episode, it’s like the fan-service version of heroism. It feels like there’s no way there could be five more episodes, because everyone in this one is at Maximum Rider Power. Tendou is giving speeches to Hiyori to welcome her home. Kagami is holding off an entire army by withstanding non-stop attacks. Tsurugi is seeing Misaki as a person, not just as an ideal. Kageyama becomes TheWorst again, just long enough to embarrass himself. And Yaguruma remembers that Looking Cool In Front Of His Underlings is his main motivation for doing literally anything ever. It… it is wall-to-wall awesomeness, and I can’t imagine where you go with any of these characters afterwards. Show’s over! Kageyama temporarily reverting to his former self as The Bee (and promptly getting beat up like his former self as The Bee) is set up to be some kind of heroic redemption but of course, nope, it's Kageyama after all. Tsurugi accepts that he should love Misaki as her own person and not a replacement for his dead sister. I feel like I haven't talked about Misaki as much as I should. I thought she was really cool as Phantom Thief Shadow and Tsurugi should definitely acknowledge her for that. Finally, there's the most memorable scene of Hyper Kabuto using his Maximum Hyper Cyclone to annihilate like a hundred Worms and Cassis Worm Gladius. Seriously, this episode has everything! Honestly, I remember the finale but most of the stuff that happens between that and this episode, yeah, not much. It feels like this is peak quality for late Kabuto. Quote:
Same as you, Tendo convincing Hiyori to come home is such a rewarding moment after her long absence and a return to the status quo with their relationship closer and stronger than before. This arc challenged Tendo as a person, forced him to take a look at himself and realize that Hiyori's previous rejection of him was due to him obsessing over what she "needs" instead of listening to what she wants and how it was resolved with him learning that Hiyori shouldn't just be protected, she should be allowed to have a life as well.
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01-24-2021, 11:02 AM | #754 |
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...I mean, other than just dying. A little less after the final scene of this episode, if I'm being honest! But, yeah, some. His concern for Hiyori is genuine, and her affection for Another Tendou is as well. He didn't kidnap her or mistreat her (until, y'know, final scene), and his action are pretty well-rooted in his love for her. Another Tendou is the Tendou who doesn't have the responsibility of Kabuto to temper or disperse his instinct to control, his tendency to focus on his own needs. The episode does this one thing that I really liked and forgot to mention. In the beginning of the episode, when Hiyori leaves with Another Tendou, Tendou drops to his knees in anguish. At the end of the episode, when Hiyori leaves with Tendou, Another Tendou drops to his knees in anguish. I love the symmetry of that, that their reflex is to deal with trauma in the exact same way. Yeah, curious to learn more about Another Tendou. He's an intriguing villain.
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01-24-2021, 11:39 AM | #755 |
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01-24-2021, 12:23 PM | #756 |
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A little less after the final scene of this episode, if I'm being honest!
But, yeah, some. His concern for Hiyori is genuine, and her affection for Another Tendou is as well. He didn't kidnap her or mistreat her (until, y'know, final scene), and his action are pretty well-rooted in his love for her. Another Tendou is the Tendou who doesn't have the responsibility of Kabuto to temper or disperse his instinct to control, his tendency to focus on his own needs. The episode does this one thing that I really liked and forgot to mention. In the beginning of the episode, when Hiyori leaves with Another Tendou, Tendou drops to his knees in anguish. At the end of the episode, when Hiyori leaves with Tendou, Another Tendou drops to his knees in anguish. I love the symmetry of that, that their reflex is to deal with trauma in the exact same way. Yeah, curious to learn more about Another Tendou. He's an intriguing villain. I'm not going to defend how the other Souji reacts to Hiyori abandoning him, but like, this is how Tendo could've ended up under the wrong circumstances, without his grandmother to raise him and teach good morality and ethics. The other Souji who has never walked the path of heaven cannot see how his actions are wrong cause all he knows is how he was abused by others.
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01-24-2021, 12:33 PM | #757 |
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It's a nice attention to detail how despite the other Souji trying to prove himself as the only one who can protect Hiyori and acting totally different from Tendo, which makes sense given their separate backstories and all the extra trauma the other Souji had to endure, he still emotes in the same way since Worms are imprinted on with basic mannerisms from the people they mimic. There are some parts of that person that can't be changed and how he expresses a strong emotion like despair is something we don't see from Tendo often but they have that in common.
I'm not going to defend how the other Souji reacts to Hiyori abandoning him, but like, this is how Tendo could've ended up under the wrong circumstances, without his grandmother to raise him and teach good morality and ethics. The other Souji who has never walked the path of heaven cannot see how his actions are wrong cause all he knows is how he was abused by others. Like, Tendou is the sun, so Another Tendou is an eclipse, a darkened sun. But the visual of an eclipse is also a black hole, where instead of light, there's just this crushing hunger. And that's sort of Another Tendou, right? He's someone who has this need that's a constant presence in his life. He's defined, solely, by his need for Hiyori. Instead trying to make things brighter for her, like Tendou, he wants to contain her, possess her. Some of it's... like, Another Tendou's as skilled as Tendou, but he's never achieved anything, never had the possibility of achieving anything. And on a show that's all about achievement and humility, Another Tendou is the inversion of everyone on the show, most especially Tendou. He doesn't understand the value of achievement, of pushing yourself to be better, because his entire conception of himself is that he Cares For Hiyori. In the same way that Hiyori valued her safety instead of her freedom, Another Tendou puts all of his energy into caring for Hiyori. It's a trap, for both of them, but only Hiyori can see that. Anyway, yes: Another Tendou is a very cool final adversary for Tendou.
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01-24-2021, 07:08 PM | #758 |
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One of the things I noticed about Kageyama is that he's a peak sycophant and yes man. as when he was the underling of Yagaruma and Ka GAAA Mi he was pleasant and preached and acted by their ideals while being utterly loyal to ZECT, and while it's easy to write him off as being a complete bastard once given a position of power I feel like part of the issue is him latching onto Mishima as his superior.
As Kageyama is someone who never really has any ideals or morals of his own and instead instead starts acting on the ideals of whoever he latches onto. And while part of his assholery is completely from himself learning he likes being in a position of power, I feel like he's completely aware of how much of a follower he is and why he tries so hard to get TheBee back before falling in with our Hot Topic store come to life. And it's why even when he's become PunchHopper he desperately wants to become TheBee again as he wants to better himself and be somebody that has their own ideals and TheBee represents that illusion that he's more than someone who thrives on violence |
01-24-2021, 07:18 PM | #759 |
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One of the things I noticed about Kageyama is that he's a peak sycophant and yes man. as when he was the underling of Yagaruma and Ka GAAA Mi he was pleasant and preached and acted by their ideals while being utterly loyal to ZECT, and while it's easy to write him off as being a complete bastard once given a position of power I feel like part of the issue is him latching onto Mishima as his superior.
As Kageyama is someone who never really has any ideals or morals of his own and instead instead starts acting on the ideals of whoever he latches onto. And while part of his assholery is completely from himself learning he likes being in a position of power, I feel like he's completely aware of how much of a follower he is and why he tries so hard to get TheBee back before falling in with our Hot Topic store come to life. And it's why even when he's become PunchHopper he desperately wants to become TheBee again as he wants to better himself and be somebody that has their own ideals and TheBee represents that illusion that he's more than someone who thrives on violence I will say, though, that the other part of Kageyama is that he is the first to pounce if someone doesn't live up to his expectations. (Obviously, Goro's the best in every show, so Kageyama never fell out of love with him.) If you aren't 100% the person he wants to follow, that's when he's the most dangerous. I find that mix of Hardcore Sycophant and Pissed-Off Fanboy both pretty clever, and way too realistic.
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01-24-2021, 07:42 PM | #760 |
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True, he does become a lot more... I'm just going to say hopeless, after he falls under Goro's command. Kageyama takes on the shape of whatever vessel he's poured into, you know? He's always someone's project.
I will say, though, that the other part of Kageyama is that he is the first to pounce if someone doesn't live up to his expectations. (Obviously, Goro's the best in every show, so Kageyama never fell out of love with him.) If you aren't 100% the person he wants to follow, that's when he's the most dangerous. I find that mix of Hardcore Sycophant and Pissed-Off Fanboy both pretty clever, and way too realistic. But this is one of the highlights of this season , all of the characters are fairly nuanced and open for interpretation DESPITE feeling like one note caricatures at first glance |
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