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03-13-2020, 11:23 PM | #41 |
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It's like if Ren had a monocle, out of nowhere, and it takes until halfway through the episode (and at the end of a scene!) for Yui to go, "Hey, what's up with the monocle?" Part of me wishes they never even brought it up, just, one episode eyepatch, next episode no eyepatch.
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03-14-2020, 01:32 AM | #42 |
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I like what Scissors’ arrival (and departure!) means for the show. I like how the simplistic Blow Up Monsters gets complicated by bad Riders and contracts and Shiro’s commands and whatever is waiting at the end of the battle. Shinji’s tried to take a stand for Rider Shall Not Harm Rider, and he’s seen just how untenable that stance is. Other Riders may put his friends in danger to get what they want, and the only way to keep them safe may be by destroying them. It’s not going to be an easy road
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03-14-2020, 01:48 AM | #43 |
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03-14-2020, 01:56 AM | #44 |
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Yeah, that's basically what Scissors' role in the show is: he's not really a proper character, he's a statement of the show's rules. After this we get a better sense of the full stakes of the Rider Battle and the knowledge that not every Kamen Rider is going to be a hero. We also get a better understanding of the relationship between Rider and Contract Beast, including what happens if the Rider loses control. Scissors is easily the most minor and forgettable of the show's Kamen Riders, but he still serves an important role in this early part of the series.
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03-14-2020, 04:12 AM | #45 |
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Yeah, that's basically what Scissors' role in the show is: he's not really a proper character, he's a statement of the show's rules. After this we get a better sense of the full stakes of the Rider Battle and the knowledge that not every Kamen Rider is going to be a hero. We also get a better understanding of the relationship between Rider and Contract Beast, including what happens if the Rider loses control. Scissors is easily the most minor and forgettable of the show's Kamen Riders, but he still serves an important role in this early part of the series.
And I believe Guyver Spawn will agree with me on this, but Sudo/Scissors was the Guyver 2 of the show pretty much.
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03-14-2020, 04:50 AM | #46 |
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The impact he has for only appearing in two episodes is huge, and probably not just for me, either. I don't think only being an ironic joke is enough to get you a Ride Watch ahead of a million way more long-lived characters.
This story arc is really the first time Ryuki makes it clear how things are going to go. Before this, for all the fuss they make, Ren and Shinji going at it doesn't seem too different from Agito's Riders butting heads, right? What's the big deal? And then along comes this guy, who is called a Kamen Rider despite being a serial killing psychopath, and manages to get himself killed horribly shortly after his debut. This one character essentially completely rewrote the book on what a Kamen Rider was all by himself. So even if Cronus had way more endurance, even if Evol was more successful in his goals, or even if Duke was more of a jerk, they all owe something to this guy. So pay your respects, alright?
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03-14-2020, 05:00 AM | #47 |
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Aside from that? Zero. To be fair, I watched this show 5 years ago so not a whole lot of it is still left in my brain. Episode 19 however, that one I still remember. Make a mental note of that one Kamen Rider Die and try to find the exact scene engraved in my mind to this day. |
03-14-2020, 06:03 AM | #48 |
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Again have to give props to Shinji for this one, he quickly figures it. Though I don't think he can do anything regarding this. Seems that now even Yui has reached the roadblock of what she knows regarding Mirror/Rider stuff, and both her and Shinji are now exchanging and discussing current informations instead of her being the guide/exposition. I also want to know which is actually the proper dialogue/translation about the conversation (haven't learned Japanese yet aside from hiragana/katakana letters). One translation talks about how Ren probably didn't really take the Rider fight seriously despite his demeanor (plus he starts to know something about Ren that mellows him out being the engagement ring he wears), the other talks about how Shinji thinks this whole Rider fight isn't something to take seriously. I think between the 2 have largely different meaning... Quote:
Cutting to the chase (NOT SORRY), it’s the debut and demise of Kamen Rider Scissors! He’s an interesting antagonist, part savvy operator and part lucky recipient of some terribly misguided optimism from Shinji. Him being a Kamen Rider, it definitely creates a more morally ambiguous landscape, and puts Shinji’s (naive?) belief in Kamen Riders’ intrinsic heroism in a tougher spot.
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I liked the whole thing Scissors had going on. The twist of him being a cop, of leveraging people’s trust to get away with literal murder, that was a nice choice in a show that already displays a healthy skepticism regarding authority figures. (Goddamn Reiko, with that bullshit “Oh, I always trust the police” when Scissors tells her to stay out of it. She’s the best! Maybe the only smart person in this episode besides Ren!) Scissors has a demeanor that, like Ren’s, makes the whole Rider Battle thing feel more terrifying for how unemotional they are about a duel to the death. I’ve seen people get more worked up over Pokemon battles. These two are just like Oh I Guess It’s Time To See Which Of Us Will Die. Knight attacking Ryuki in the second episode had that same thing, and I really like it. It plays into Shinji’s confusion and anger, that they’d kill one another and not seem to care.
I have to give props to Reiko for turning her attack to grant her an eyepatch, into her advantage because of Sudo's mistake of not reporting the situation while "protecting" her, as the officers didn't know about the situation on the antique shop but her confirming there was an officer, which would make Sudo set the situation up, moreover with him showing at the nick of the time. It'd be a real contribution to other series....but unfortunately this is Kamen Rider, her efforts are nullified, Scissors can just again, send Volcancer to anyone knowing his crime like those 2 officers. Only Riders can properly solve a threat in these kind of universe, with Knight indirectly killing Scissors. I guess that's the trait that makes people only care about Riders and/or monsters in toku, that only those 2 gave impact to their universes? Quote:
I like what Scissors’ arrival (and departure!) means for the show. I like how the simplistic Blow Up Monsters gets complicated by bad Riders and contracts and Shiro’s commands and whatever is waiting at the end of the battle. Shinji’s tried to take a stand for Rider Shall Not Harm Rider, and he’s seen just how untenable that stance is. Other Riders may put his friends in danger to get what they want, and the only way to keep them safe may be by destroying them. It’s not going to be an easy road.
Scissors has an ironic death; he feeds people to Volcancer, but at the end he is eaten by Volcancer himself. After that, even the weakest Contract Monster can make Knight powerless against it, though that's probably due to fatigue of the previous fight; despite Scissors being the weakest Rider in stats (more info below), probably Sudo's fighting skill as a cop makes up for it - even if Ren is also a street brawler outside Rider. Or also that he seems reluctant to fight, instead setting up deathtraps for others, and if he fights he uses dirty tactics. He seems to be aware of his weak Rider stats and mostly became a Rider to use the "missing people" phenomena and protect himself. Also would you talk about Shinji's first real badass moment here (after being guilible before)?! Saving Knight and killing Volcancer. Volcancer was completely untouched before Ryuki came, and only gets 1 stab from sword. But a Final Vent instantly kills him. A clear indication that in Ryuki, all Final Vents are one hit kills. I also found the purpose of the dual shields being worn in the shoulders, for (literal) pincer type attacks like Volcancer does. Quote:
We got to see a bit of how each of the two main Riders are going to approach it, to some clever results. Shinji wanted to stop Scissors’ villainy, but didn’t want to kill him. Ren mostly didn’t care about Scissors’ villainy, but did want to kill him. (Neither of them were cool with Scissors’ kidnapping Yui, but A, that was really on Shinji, what was he even thinking volunteering that info to a total stranger I mean there’s trying to make connections and then there’s shit that we teach children are you a child Shinji I thought you were a grown-ass man why would you tell a guy you just fought personal information about people who can’t defend themselves what were you thiiiiinnnkkkkkiiiinnngggg, and B, Scissors’ just walked it off with a mea culpa that was pretty goddamn funny.) The idea of the more experienced Ren being all Kill Riders No Matter What and the powerful but naive Shinji being all Maybe We Don’t Have To Kill Them, there’s a show that that dynamic reminds me of, especially how much I enjoy the mentor character’s dynamic with the series star, but it’s name and who wrote it is totally escaping me right now.
Ren being a thuggish asshole AND Shinji having bad assumptions about him should've taught him something from the experience, like being fishy about new Rider and thinking he might be as bad as Ren or even worse (definitely even worse), but alas... Ren canonically throws the show's tagline in the episode "Tatakawanakereba, ikinokorenai!". A minor thing...why did Yui welcome Sudo to Atori as a customer? Didn't she say the shop is closed until her aunt returns (she hasn't)? And where did you get that she let the shop unlocked? I think with how the scenes played out in Ryuki, it seems that everyone gets customer services without paying anything. So probably the series just skips those. Quote:
Yeah, that's basically what Scissors' role in the show is: he's not really a proper character, he's a statement of the show's rules. After this we get a better sense of the full stakes of the Rider Battle and the knowledge that not every Kamen Rider is going to be a hero. We also get a better understanding of the relationship between Rider and Contract Beast, including what happens if the Rider loses control. Scissors is easily the most minor and forgettable of the show's Kamen Riders, but he still serves an important role in this early part of the series.
I don't think Scissors is forgettable; most of Kamen Riders won't be forgettable afaik, at least he can share same screentime like in videogames or something (PSX Ryuki or Climax Heroes). Quote:
I'd almost say Scissors is more popular than anyone outside of the main four Riders. He's infamous for being a loser. That's why he got a Ridewatch in that fan vote despite only ever being in two episodes and never getting to successfully pull off his finisher. I love Scissors. I can't wait till you see his role in the 13 Riders special, it's hilarious
He has only 4000 AP for Final Vent, which gets defeated by Knight's 5000 AP Final Vent. I wonder why they made Knight the one knocked off his feet, probably to add up suspense. Ryuki didn't want to fight Scissors, but it's clear that Ryuki had superior equipments, and about Scissors' weak stats. Merely activating Guard Vent knocks back Scissors a good distance. What's hilarious about him there btw? Last edited by DreadBringer; 03-14-2020 at 06:17 AM.. |
03-14-2020, 06:31 AM | #49 |
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Look, Kiwami, if "psychotic corrupt cop who stuffs his murder victims' corpses in walls, and then gets eaten by a giant crab" is not considered a memorable character in your mind, I don't know what to tell you. I guess this is just more proof one of us is from some kind of mirror universe.
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03-14-2020, 06:51 AM | #50 |
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