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10-21-2021, 02:55 PM | #561 |
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It's instead easier for me to read into him not as Kenzaki specifically, but as an expression of the attitudes of the worlds in general towards Tsukasa at this point. Decade is to begin with an extremely non-literal series so that works as part of that; and it makes sense of the drama and what they're really going for here; with Kenzaki's actor probably just being the easiest or one of the easiest ones to get back at the time -- they probably just figured they wanted a past Heisei Rider to come back for this role who wasn't Wataru, and Takayuki was down for it.
Like, I think your take is right (it's pretty much what I saw Wataru as in the premiere), but it's enormously distracting.
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10-21-2021, 03:07 PM | #562 |
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Definitely won't deny that! It's pretty much where my entire first paragraph is coming from
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10-21-2021, 06:03 PM | #563 |
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I sort of enjoyed Apollo Geist's role in this story? He just wants his powers back and to be a big theatrical villain. Dude's motivation is super-clear, which is something that's in short supply for this two-parter. Once he got his powers back (via Fangire Wedding, which is a really smart decision in the script), he really wanted to kill Decade, so he kidnapped Natsumi and creepily threatened to marry her after killing her friends. It's... like, it's INSANE, but it's legibly insane. Everything he does feels like the decision-making process of a Showa villain. Not really any complaints about Apollo Geist in this one from me.
Overall, I'd say even if I've been going off memory, I think I remembered a good deal of the show. Sure, I might have missed a lot of good points or a chink of the context by not re-watching it along with everyone. But having followed along with this thread, I really learned quite a lot I didn't know, and have even gotten more appreciation for this series, regardless of the bumpy road this journey has been. (Though I feel like I should be saying this after the "True Ending") |
10-21-2021, 06:08 PM | #564 |
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It's about halfway Showa Villain plot-y, but if it was really that way then he'd also bring along the new kaijin Mecha CaterpillarBee who's kidnapping kids to hynotise them into robbing banks to destabilise the Japanese economy
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10-21-2021, 06:38 PM | #565 |
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I actually have a few theories on that front, given what little context the show itself gives.
1) It's "Great Leader's'" favorite food, given how a kid is threatened to be turned into a Sea Cucumber Monster in the Amazon Arc. 2) It's Daiki just trying to get under Tsukasa's' skin, considering the HBV reveals sea cucumber to be a food Tsukasa hates. And 3), which I believe to be the most probable one... It's a euphemism for Daiki's' D.
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10-21-2021, 07:45 PM | #566 |
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I actually have a few theories on that front, given what little context the show itself gives.
1) It's "Great Leader's'" favorite food, given how a kid is threatened to be turned into a Sea Cucumber Monster in the Amazon Arc. 2) It's Daiki just trying to get under Tsukasa's' skin, considering the HBV reveals sea cucumber to be a food Tsukasa hates. And 3), which I believe to be the most probable one... It's a euphemism for Daiki's' D.
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10-21-2021, 07:52 PM | #567 |
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10-21-2021, 08:08 PM | #568 |
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Apparantly Kaito himself hates sea cucumber. And at one point tried stealing General Shadow treasure only to ended up stealing some sea cucumbers and that Tsukasa in fact dosen't mind eating them and used to tease Kaito about it before losing his memories. And for some reason Kaito decides to tell the now anmesiac Tsukasa that he dosen't like sea cucumber? And all of this was revealed in the Decade Final Stage and before you decry as non-canon has also been officially reconized by Kamen Rider Zukan
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10-22-2021, 10:35 AM | #569 |
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Been focusing on important personal matter lately, and the next one you review are the movies... (haven't found the place for Net Movie yet), which is harder to find time to watch e̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶2̶x̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶.̶
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KAMEN RIDER DECADE: ALL RIDERS VS DAI-SHOCKER
A lot of it is in how it tries to really examine what it means to go on a journey. It’s there in Sayo’s feelings of abandonment, in Tsukikage’s attempts to replace Tsukasa, in Dai-Shocker’s ambivalence about Tsukasa’s return to power. We’ve had a whole series about the optimism of a fresh start, or the endless possibilities of the next step along the path. We’ve watched Tsukasa become more heroic as he meets more heroes, and seen him bond with the people who are helping him along the way. But to go on a journey, you have to leave somewhere. Tsukasa had a home, had a family, had responsibilities, and he left them behind. In his story (if you exclude the part where he was, uh, exterminating Riders), this is a bold, courageous step closer to his destiny. It’s adventure; it’s self-determination; it’s everything this series has been preaching since the first episode. But from Sayo’s perspective, it’s just more selfishness from a terminally selfish man. She’s watched Tsukasa care more about his own needs than those of his family for… I mean, basically ever. Every flashback shows Tsukasa as someone who is wrapped up in himself as a Main Character, to the detriment of anyone else’s experience. What I liked about the resolution of this story is that, rather than placing all the blame on Tsukasa for abandoning his sister, it places equal blame between them. Tsukasa was sort of an asshole to neglect his sister after their parents died (because OF COURSE THEIR PARENTS DIED) and go on his grand Main Character adventure, but Sayo sort of let herself be relegated to a supporting role in Tsukasa’s story, instead of starring in her own. It’s an interesting take on the idea of abandonment, where needing people in your life should never stop you or them from pursuing their dreams. People leave, and that can be sad, but it’s also part of life. You should hope for the best for them. You should also use that change to keep living your life, and keep traveling on your own journey. It’s a refreshingly nuanced take on support and self-sufficiency, and it’s a pretty natural story to tell near the end of Decade. Quote:
It abandons its storytelling hook -- every Rider battles to see which one is the strongest -- almost immediately. It’s an incredibly bleak story. It invents a villainous background for its main character that potentially negates a series worth of character growth and heroism. It raises the stakes on its story by breaking its characters apart, and then doesn’t really do the work of fixing them. A lot of the story’s emotional weight is conveyed through a brand-new relationship. Most of the thematic resolution comes across as contradictory and ill-explained. W’s appearance is ham-fisted.
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But this movie really doesn’t seem to understand how much of a swing it is to make Tsukasa the once and future head of Dai-Shocker. The biggest mistake this movie makes dramatically is that it doesn’t create much space between Amnesia Tsukasa and Dai-Shocker Tsukasa. There should be more of a sense that Tsukasa’s journeys have fundamentally changed him, but I don’t feel like we got that here. He flips on Natsumi and Onodera with a smirk, and then expects Natsumi to take him back when Dai-Shocker kicks him out. (It’s nice that, in a movie that is working so hard to dot i’s and cross t’s, Shadow Moon gives us a total shrug of Kamen Riders Were Always A Red Herring when it comes time to explain what’s going on with the imminent destruction of all of the worlds. Thanks for nothing!) There’s a little bit of cover for this with the appearance of New Riderman (Gackt!), where Tsukasa is chided for giving up instead of working to fix his mistakes, but it all feels too minor for what we’ve learned. This isn’t a situation where Tsukasa yelled at his friends, or where he trusted the wrong person; Tsukasa was the head of an interdimensional crime syndicate that nearly eradicated Kamen Riders on its path to total domination. I don’t know that a Mea Culpa really settles things! Feels a little lacking!
Otherwise, I'd probably want to see Tsukasa as Dai-Shocker head more compared to the fights before, which probably may also discuss the Rider Fight more. What I feel here is similar to the Ryuki tribute, I wonder who becomes the Riders who participated in the Rider Fight, and I think Tsukasa "massacring Riders" is similar to the died Riders in the Ryuki tribute. I think you're used to how W appears here, it's similar to for example, Genm's appearence at the end of Ghost or Build's appearence at the end of Ex-Aid. For Natsumi finally temporarily ditching Tsukasa for good reason (she can be agitated with Tsukasa's antics.. but wasn't outright hate just reprimanding)... I wonder if Kaitou partnering with her and calling her Natsumelon is the root of fans doing the same, or that it's what fanbase does but integrated in canon. There's also shown what'd Natsumi do in an impending apocalypse, but with people running around instead of her alone like at the beginning of series, where she'd help a stranger who fell... before Narutaki finally gets her to listen. Quote:
All of that Narrative and Thematic stuff aside (because who really cares about that in a movie with so many superhero suits), this film was a treat. The score was dynamic and engaging. The fights were generally fun, with some clever twists. The special guest stars were very cool. (Shouichi! Momotaros, of course! KickHopper and Ouja, immediately rejecting Kaitou’s request for aid and trying to kill the heroes!) A lot of the staging and direction in the first half was smart in how it enforced the isolation of Sayo and the uneasiness of Tsukasa. The movie just looked and sounded great, for the duration.
I can’t claim that this was a great story, or that it was well-told. I fully expect a bunch of people in this thread to cite this film as a low-point for Rider movies. For me, it really connected. I liked how it used one last minute before the finale to show the unintended consequences for someone’s decision to find themself, and to argue for the need to take that journey of self-discovery anyway. I dug it.
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10-22-2021, 03:44 PM | #570 |
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I would probably like her just the same if she wasn't teaming up with Dai-Shocker to destroy the multiverse out of a sense of abandonment. I think she's an okay character?
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