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03-17-2017, 03:06 PM | #61 |
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Look, if you're going to watch and criticize this show, you need to meet it on its own terms. Sentai is, in many many many ways, not objectively good. Every single show contains a multitude of glaring flaws, and it's extremely easy to pick them apart if you're not sold on a particular show's chemistry (whether that's because you don't like the actors, the designs, the music, the fights, the SFX, or a combination of any number of other ephemeral elements). Like, for example, I passionately hate Magiranger. But do I think it's objectively worse than any other Sentai show? No, I just have an intensely negative emotional reaction to the entire cast. Similarly, I love Zyuohger -- is that because the show is better than most other Sentai? Emphatically no -- I just really love the cast's dynamics and the show's overall design aesthetic. (Caveat 1: Obviously, there are shows that are objectively better or worse than others, from a pure craft standpoint, but the difference in quality level is often and heavily exaggerated.)
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03-17-2017, 03:17 PM | #62 |
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But please don't hold this against me if I'm sick of forced mecha fights in the future. I'm only human after all. Quote:
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03-17-2017, 06:22 PM | #63 |
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Like, for example, I passionately hate Magiranger. But do I think it's objectively worse than any other Sentai show? No, I just have an intensely negative emotional reaction to the entire cast. Similarly, I love Zyuohger -- is that because the show is better than most other Sentai? Emphatically no -- I just really love the cast's dynamics and the show's overall design aesthetic. (Caveat 1: Obviously, there are shows that are objectively better or worse than others, from a pure craft standpoint, but the difference in quality level is often and heavily exaggerated.)
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03-17-2017, 07:33 PM | #64 |
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So it kind of feels like I'm stepping into a warzone here but I had some stuff I wanted to add to the discussion.
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Let me be extra clear about this in case I'm coming off the wrong way though. I'm not asking you to sugarcoat your posts from now on or anything dumb like that. If you want to come in here and rant about Kyuranger being crap, that's what a forum is for. Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's. Quote:
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Yeah, uh no, sorry, can't agree. The reason Dairanger is hands down the best Sentai show ever is because it is just the best show all around. It has the best designs, the best mecha and mech battles, awesome villains that can be comedic and down right terrifying at the same time, a strong cast, some of the most energetic music and fights in the entire franchise, and is the most story driven show. It only has 6 filler episodes. Everything else is plot.
"Dairanger is the best Sentai because (stuff you just said)!" "Nuh-uh! Jetman is the best because it's the most influential Sentai EVER!" "WRONG! Jetman is overhyped garbage. Carranger is the best because it's such a great parody of the franchise." "Says you! Carranger is way too comedic to take seriously. Gekiranger is the best because it's so unique and Rio-sama is the best villain in Sentai!" "Yeah, well Gokaiger was a totally amazing celebration of all things Sentai so it's the best!" *and so on* ...So are we cool? Some of us like Kyuranger and some of us don't and that's all okay and we can still get along? Also, unrelated note: I should really get around to Dairanger.
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03-17-2017, 08:31 PM | #65 |
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I'm pretty offended by this hit & run comment (probably more than I should be because I do respect your opinion).
Please. Tell me how my argument is "asinine." I think it's pretty well reasoned, but I may be biased. What part do you think is so stupid? Do you disagree that people should watch Sentai on its own terms? Do you disagree that the vast majority (the majority, not all) of Sentai shows are pretty similar in quality, and what little variation exists is exaggerated by fandom? I mean, disagree all you want, but I'm sincerely failing to grasp why anyone would find any of these positions outright foolish. I think they're pretty defensible. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love Sentai. It's one of my favorite things in the world, as you've probably already gleaned. But even I can recognize that every single season, of the 19 I've watched in full, is deeply flawed. And it's very easy to pick each season apart on a technical level if you're not fully on board with it. Quote:
Is it? Yamato and Misao had much more better stories to tell, and even one of the very few interesting villains from that show, Kubar, had more to offer than that. I mean sure, Yamato is the main character technically, but hey, at least they used that focus for something good. Instead of wasting it on a screaming idiot.
But I don't agree that Yamato is particularly complex. At all. He's likable, he has an interesting journey, and his story is cool... but he's a very straightforward hero archetype. What you see is pretty much what you get, and he's more or less the same at the beginning of the story as he is at the end (except for his improved attitude toward his father). Kubar is eventually interesting, but he spends around 30 episodes as your bog standard "smart Sentai villain." If the character as presented in the first five eps of Zyuoger had been a part of Kyuranger, I suspect you'd be railing against him right now as well. But also, do you not see how flawed this whole argument is? You're judging characters who had 48 episodes of development against characters who have had five. Perhaps I should have said "potential" for complexity. Would that have been better? Considering there have only been five episodes, that should have been taken as a given. Quote:
No I don't. If I find something stupid or lame I will point it out, no matter if Sentai or Rider or whatever else did it. Even if they are notorious problems, because those are the easiest to solve. And it’s not like I have particular issues with tropes anymore. I'll continue to speak my mind about the ones which I don’t like if the occasion requires it but it’s no use crying about them anymore.
But please don't hold this against me if I'm sick of forced mecha fights in the future. I'm only human after all. Regarding those "notorious problems," well, what you think of as flaws, other people think of as features. I love many of Sentai's "notorious problems," and I think without some of them, Sentai just wouldn't be Sentai. At the end of the day, I guess I just don't understand why you're still watching -- let alone taking the time to write about -- something you appear to hate a lot. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Quote:
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This is surprising to even me but I'm gonna go ahead and side with Kiwami on this one. "He's one thing and then under the surface he's another single thing" could actually describe quite a few major, recent Sentai characters. Of course, we're only five episodes in, so maybe Captain Dumplings could turn out to be exactly what you're hoping he is, but right now I think you're either giving Kyuranger a bit too much credit or recent Sentai a bit too little.
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Let me be extra clear about this in case I'm coming off the wrong way though. I'm not asking you to sugarcoat your posts from now on or anything dumb like that. If you want to come in here and rant about Kyuranger being crap, that's what a forum is for. Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's.
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Dr Kain, you gotta understand, beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. Literally everything you just said is subjective and can be "proven" wrong with a simple "nuh-uh!". There's absolutely a such thing as objective quality (a plot-hole is a plot-hole and most people would probably agree a boom mic in the shot constitutes bad cinematography, for example), but the concept of the objective "best" is basically a myth, because everyone is going to define that a little differently.
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03-17-2017, 09:03 PM | #66 |
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I'm pretty offended by this hit & run comment (probably more than I should be because I do respect your opinion).
Please. Tell me how my argument is "asinine." I think it's pretty well reasoned, but I may be biased. What part do you think is so stupid? Do you disagree that people should watch Sentai on its own terms? Do you disagree that the vast majority (the majority, not all) of Sentai shows are pretty similar in quality, and what little variation exists is exaggerated by fandom? I mean, disagree all you want, but I'm sincerely failing to grasp why anyone would find any of these positions outright foolish. I think they're pretty defensible. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love Sentai. It's one of my favorite things in the world, as you've probably already gleaned. But even I can recognize that every single season, of the 19 I've watched in full, is deeply flawed. And it's very easy to pick each season apart on a technical level if you're not fully on board with it. "Sentai isn't objectively good, thus, no Sentai is worse than any other." Quote:
Like, for example, I passionately hate Magiranger. But do I think it's objectively worse than any other Sentai show? No, I just have an intensely negative emotional reaction to the entire cast. Similarly, I love Zyuohger -- is that because the show is better than most other Sentai? Emphatically no
Objectivity is a difficult matter to touch down on, but your phrasing makes it come off as coming up with a quantifiable list of why X or Y series in specific is bad is a worthless effort because the franchise as a whole is subpar and the series are too similar to really make it worth it.
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03-17-2017, 10:23 PM | #68 |
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03-17-2017, 10:43 PM | #69 |
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Hey, I've been there before! Ever since Kyuranger started I've been actively trying not to go full "late Ghost episode threads" in here to avoid exactly this kind of scenario.
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Maybe The Last Ninja?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... You threw me off with the "most story driven show" bit. This is what the and/or the are for, man! The and/or the are essential if you want it to read as sarcasm.
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