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03-13-2021, 04:00 PM | #381 |
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Yeah, Deneb has a lot of Jiiya in him, where he's trying to provide guidance for someone he cares about while being subservient to him. It definitely can lead to a spoiled character, but hopefully Yuuto can turn out as well as Tsurugi did, rather than how Kyosuke did.
The Makoto comparison is interesting, but I think this show is doing it in reverse? There may be a twist coming for the whole Yuuto/Sakurai story, but currently it seems like they're telling us that Yuuto eventually becomes the kind Sakurai at some point in the future. Even though Ryotaro knows him as a good man, this version is still the abrasive teenager. Quote:
KAMEN RIDER DEN-O EPISODE 20 - “I’M WARNING YOU NOW”
Like, Ryotaro’s Imagin are all characters on the show, but they also represent parts of him that he’s buried, or that he’s obscured in some way. Momo is his passion, Ura is his cunning, Kin is his bravery, Ryu is his protectiveness. How he balances the powers of the Imagin to detonate monsters is really just a metaphor for how we each get through a day. How we juggle all of these impulses. The best part, to me, is how the show is clear that these impulses can be good and bad. Quote:
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THE BAGGAGE CAR
-Sort of shocked that this show would have the guts to do an on-the-nose Buried Past story as the monster plot in a two-parter that is largely concerned with the Sakurai of the past. Bold! I think it worked okay as a parallel to the Airi/Sakurai plot that’s more in the foreground lately, plus I just thought it was sweet? It’s this very minor story about a guy whose fiance died, and about how him living a happy life is honoring her more than clinging to the past, and about how hard it can be to move on from grief. I just liked it. Quote:
Even when we’re into the second-half of the episode, with Sword Form trying to stop a monster in 2006, Ryotaro is still doing the Wrong Thing. Instead of chasing down the monster, he puts Momo on hold to check on the stunned couple. He’s more invested in saving these two than he is in stopping the monster.
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And then it’s the first appearance of Zeronos: a stunning sequence of Henshins, catchphrases, form changes, hilarious non-boasts (Deneb doesn’t want that monster to think the Vega chestpiece is a functioning head! He doesn’t want to deceive the rampaging Jellyfish Imagin), and badass finishers. In an episode built to say Yuuto Is Right, that whole fight was the goddamn exclamation mark.
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But he’s not right. Or, he is, Yuuto was more effective than Ryotaro, but it doesn’t matter? It’s not about Most Effective or Least Effective. It’s not a contest. It’s about personal responsibility, and being the best version of yourself that you can be. Yuuto’s metrics for success aren’t Ryotaro’s, and that’s fine. Ryotaro is going to keep doing what he feels is right. He might do it badly, but as long as he’s doing his best he can be proud of himself. He’s going to help that couple. He’s going to save Sakurai for Airi. Because that’s what he thinks is right.
And Hana knows that Ryotaro’s heroism being rooted in empathy, in the small picture of a grieving would-be husband looking for closure, that’s what gives Den-O the power to save the day. The two of them digging up that time capsule and delivering it to that guy, to viewing that as the real victory of the episode, such a fantastic ending. To do a whole story about a new, better Rider who you then immediately see as second-best… surprisingly great story to tell.
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03-13-2021, 05:27 PM | #382 |
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Don't think that Zeronos' finisher is that cool, well I just had tight marking of Rider's finishers. Zeronos' default form seems to still possess Deneb's traits like the green color, and most importantly, it's strong enough to fight off monsters unlike Plat Form. Deneb taking part of Zeronos instead turns it into new form, Vega form.
- Having Altair Form be something he can access entirely on his own further illustrates the difference between Yuuto and Ryoutarou, with the former not needing to borrow anyone else's strength; while Den-O is basically powered entirely by friendship, because the latter is incapable of doing anything himself. It really nicely reflects the difference in personality between the two that Vega Form is an option for Zeronos, while also having him arguably be less flexible overall. - It's been said several times in here already that Den-O set the formula Rider would start employing from around Double to Wizard, and one of the things I love about that era of secondary Riders, that I think really started with Zeronos, is how they're like a watered down version of the main guy in some ways. Accel only has one Memory; Birth uses Cell Medals; Meteor relies on martial arts rather than a wide array of Switches; and Beast gets cute little shoulder capes instead of actual new forms. That sort of thing. With Zeronos, he's only got the one Imagin (you might say it's a case of quality over quantity for Yuuto~), and instead of the fancy modern contactless train pass, his are just plain cards he jams into the belt. It's a simple thing, but I don't know, I just find it really neat. (Also, I'm now half-seriously wondering if I should numbering these? Seems like I've got a lot of 'em in me!)
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I wish that Ryotaro checking the contract holder and Den-O fighting monsters can be utilized more strategically like, Ryotaro and the Imagins are more than 1 being, I wonder if the Imagins can fight and hold off the monsters by themselves, while Ryotaro goes to check the contract holders. They're going to the battlefield by possessing Ryotaro either in human form or as one of Den-O's forms.
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Having Altair Form be something he can access entirely on his own further illustrates the difference between Yuuto and Ryoutarou, with the former not needing to borrow anyone else's strength; while Den-O is basically powered entirely by friendship, because the latter is incapable of doing anything himself. It really nicely reflects the difference in personality between the two that Vega Form is an option for Zeronos, while also having him arguably be less flexible overall.
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03-13-2021, 09:27 PM | #384 |
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03-13-2021, 10:11 PM | #385 |
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KAMEN RIDER DEN-O EPISODE 21 - "FIGHTING STYLE”
This show! When it leaves aside the overarching horseshit about destroyed timelines and displaced fiances, and settles in for an internally-generated and insanely comedic look at jealousy and resolving rivalries, it is absolutely unbeatable. The more this show focuses on a half-dozen weirdos trying to express themselves, the better it is. I mean, god do I not care about parsing out the mysteries of Yuuto and Hana. It's a mix of contradictory theories, serious looks, pregnant pauses, and unresolved questions. It is Exhibit A in why I generally don't expend any brainpower on Kamen Rider series mysteries. They'll tell me when it's time for me to know, and every scene that addresses it prior to that point is something to be suffered through. The episode clearly shares my sense of aggrieved disinterest, since the choreography in the early exposition is jaw-droppingly clever and distracting. Like, I couldn't be less interested in the equivocations of Owner, but that whole choreographed routine he did with Ryuta! WHAT! The bit where Ryuta drops the cane onto Owner's ankle, and Owner kicks it up into his own hand?! The whole thing would be needlessly showy, if it weren't for so much of the dialogue being a boring recitation of Time Nonsense. As it is, the weird posing and dancing was the best part of that scene! Everything after that is non-stop greatness, though. After an overly-seasoned meal of otherwise bland meat, here's a nearly episode-length dessert. There's a plot in here (Ryuta is jealous of Yuuto's history with Airi), and maybe a theme (disciplining children?), but it's all so secondary to how unrelentingly fun this episode is. It's both ludicrously funny and thrillingly adventurous, a combo that I have no defense against. The comedy is mostly Deneb-related and, yeah: maybe the best character on the show? His pure-heartedness and too-trusting nature makes him an amazing comedy partner for the perpetually grumpy and accusatory Yuuto. Having a plot where Deneb dresses up in a tiger costume so a vendor can take a nap, and that's an episode-long runner... insane. That is lightning in a bottle, and I can only imagine how thrilled the production team was when they saw the first cut of this episode. Literally every Deneb gag in this killed. The physical comedy never stopped cracking me up, with the pinnacle being this gif that I will probably laugh at forever: The DenLiner Imagin don't fare much worse, comedically, since it's the Grown-Ups trying to wrangle Ryuta and it does not go well. The escalation of Ryuta's drawings covering more and more of the floor, and the Imagin treating them like hot lava... it's just more expert choreography in an episode already brimming over with it. Which, yeah, that's why the Gun Form vs Altair Form fight is so good! There's so much fluidity to each fighter's moves, and the editing really lets the stunt performers show off. Cuts are spread out to really sell how serious this fight is, how it's potentially fatal to Zeronos. You get these disorienting shots from Den-O and these desperate swings from Zeronos, tense dodges and strategic reversals. Just a nail-biting action finish to a consistently entertaining episode. This one was a real winner. I don't have a lick of interest in Hana's lost timeline (and I like Hana!) or Yuuto's mysterious history (and I like Yuuto!), but when this episode put that stuff to bed and just relaxed, I was having a great time. Fun-ass show, you guys. THE BAGGAGE CAR - ...I just want to watch that gif again.
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03-14-2021, 03:02 AM | #386 |
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Look all I really remember about this episode is Ryutaros and his flunkies aggressively breakdancing at Yuuto and if you don't understand why that's the best thing ever then you're not as real Kamen Rider fan.
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03-14-2021, 03:41 AM | #387 |
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Den-O definitely works more as a series of standalone vignettes more than it does as an overarching plot (you’ll get more fuel for this fire later on). Just a shame it can’t commit to either.
Anyway, time for a look at our two-in-one Imagin’s VA. Koji Ochai Notable Anime roles: Reuben in Stitch, Tetsu Trudge in Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds, Celestino Chaldini in Yuri on Ice. Notable Tokusatsu roles: Black Knight BullBlack in Seijuu Sentai Gingaman. Notable dubbing roles: Douglas J. Needles in Back to the Future Part II, Papa Midnite in Constantine, Aladeen in the Dictator, Wheelie in the Transformers film series, Ben 10,000 in the Ben 10 franchise, Tommy Oliver in Moghty Morphin Power Rangers. |
03-14-2021, 04:06 AM | #388 |
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Plot aside my biggest focus at the time was Zeronos himself. It was two years after Hibiki so I was genuinely shocked to see Nakamura the actor come back for more, which also lead to curiosity. First impression I got was Kyosuke 2.0 but now with a personal babysitter.
The Zeronos suit I instantly fell in love with it. I like how Altair form is the rider form being more agile yet strong while Vega form feels like the heavy duty masked form in a sense. Which reminds me, this was our second green kamen rider to be of the bovine kind since Zolda(and our third green bovine hero if you include super sentai's Magi Green from Magiranger, Ohranger's green ranger had a green bull robot but his motif was not a bull so that does not count). Quote:
- Zeronos would turn out to be the final secondary Rider with Makoto Itou as his suit actor, and he consistently turned in a heck of a performance. Zeronos is insanely active, selling you on those boasts of strength by casually flipping over his opponents and swinging around that ridiculously huge sword like it was just a tiny dagger or something. He's so cool.
He is also in terms of suit color a polar opposite to Sword Form, red contrasting green and all. Last edited by Sunred; 03-14-2021 at 04:24 AM.. |
03-14-2021, 11:45 AM | #389 |
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I just feel like the Hana/Sakurai stuff right now is too vague to get excited about, and they'd be better off giving us something more tangible to react to. Quote:
Plot aside my biggest focus at the time was Zeronos himself. It was two years after Hibiki so I was genuinely shocked to see Nakamura the actor come back for more, which also lead to curiosity. First impression I got was Kyosuke 2.0 but now with a personal babysitter.
The Zeronos suit I instantly fell in love with it. I like how Altair form is the rider form being more agile yet strong while Vega form feels like the heavy duty masked form in a sense. Which reminds me, this was our second green kamen rider to be of the bovine kind since Zolda(and our third green bovine hero if you include super sentai's Magi Green from Magiranger, Ohranger's green ranger had a green bull robot but his motif was not a bull so that does not count).
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03-14-2021, 12:49 PM | #390 |
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Yeah, it's a little weird that they cast Asumu's Rival to play Ryotaro's Rival a couple shows later. Usually, you might push a background/one-off player up to the main cast (Asuna was in a Ghost HBV before Ex-Aid), or cast against type (Dr Maki from OOO is a slimy executive in Amazons). You don't usually just put the same guy in the same role, especially with so little time between shows.
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