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11-19-2013, 08:20 PM | #41 |
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Being that this is tokusatsu, I'm pretty sure we aren't supposed to think the Drivers are made of the plastic that they obviously are. So if they can slash each other without killing each other, I'm pretty certain they can also destroy the Driver without killing Baron, I'm also sure that as these are basically a bunch of dumb kids, they wouldn't be trying to kill Baron either.
I get Kouta's nobility and all that, but I also think that him saving Baron is devoid of any kind of logic beyond him being smug and sanctimonious. I'm now hoping that Baron kills Michy, just so Kouta has to live with the fact that in a real war, you play to win, not to be fair. Playing fair is for sports. And it's on him now. Besides there's already one person on the show who thinks like this, and that's Baron. But even Urobutcher sees Baron as wrong, as someone who learns his lesson later on.
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11-19-2013, 08:29 PM | #42 |
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That's some pretty messed up thinking. Kouta is the hero, the role model of the story. Regardless of the consequences, heroes don't play dirty. It would just make for bad television.
Besides there's already one person on the show who thinks like this, and that's Baron. But even Urobutcher sees Baron as wrong, as someone who learns his lesson later on. That is why I can't accept Kouta's moral highhorse. Baron's way of thinking makes him a genuine threat beyond that of the games themselves, Kurokage and Gridon were going to disable that threat in a non lethal way but Kouta decided his morals were too good for that, and he saved Baron. This means now it either comes to the point that Baron does something that Kouta will always regret, or they will HAVE to kill him as they'll probably never get another opportunity like this. So he's an idiot. As the Doctor said, "The best war, is one never started."
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11-19-2013, 08:37 PM | #43 |
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Man, this show is gonna run out of new merch to shill at the rate it's going. All these Riders and a new form next episode?
Anyway, I think Gridon and Kurokage might end up stealing the show for me. They're a bunch of stupid underdogs trying to prove they can make it in the big leagues, and I'm loving every second of it. Also, and I say this as someone who will defend "Space Time!" to the death, I don't dig Ornac that much. Although I've been jokingly calling him Corn-A for weeks now, so I'm one to talk.
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11-19-2013, 08:44 PM | #44 |
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I get that. I'm not a fan of heroes who kill, who play the game just as the villains do but this isn't a battle for the world, it's a petty child's squabble over dance mats. At least right now.
That is why I can't accept Kouta's moral highhorse. Baron's way of thinking makes him a genuine threat beyond that of the games themselves, Kurokage and Gridon were going to disable that threat in a non lethal way but Kouta decided his morals were too good for that, and he saved Baron. This means now it either comes to the point that Baron does something that Kouta will always regret, or they will HAVE to kill him as they'll probably never get another opportunity like this. So he's an idiot. As the Doctor said, "The best war, is one never started." There is nothing wrong or idiotic in trying to do the right thing. Kouta's not on a moral highhorse, he didn't go on some spiel about how he's better than anyone else. He's just doing what he thinks is right. Whether it will bite him later on or not does not factor into his decision because he wouldn't know what Baron would eventually become. Again, he doesn't have the audience's perspective. Isn't it a fair thing to give Baron the benefit of the doubt? It may be a disastrous decision (we don't know yet), but it's not idiotic and regardless of whether it will bite him later or not, I applaud him for sticking to his principles. Finally, the Doctor may have said, "The best war, is one never started" but he also said: "Do I have the right? Simply touch one wire against the other and that's it. The Daleks cease to exist. Hundreds of millions of people, thousands of generations can live without fear, in peace, and never even know the word Dalek...But if I kill, wipe out a whole intelligent lifeform, then I become like them. I'd be no better than the Daleks."Even if it would eventually result in his species' extinction and the death of countless lives, the Doctor kept to his principles.
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11-19-2013, 08:47 PM | #45 |
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Another great episode. I hope Bravo is a regular character and not just a semi-annual guest.
It would be really funny if Pierre mentions he has a relative that sells donuts in another city. :P Kurokage & "Ornac" are somewhere between Team Rocket/ Bulk & Skull and they really work well together. Baron doesn't want to "kill" the weak; its been established that he wants them to have a fair chance to be strong if they have the right ability. Kota also believes people deserve a chance to change themselves (which is the thing he wanted for himself before the series began) so it makes sense to me that he would try to help Kaito and also give him that chance to change. |
11-19-2013, 08:53 PM | #46 |
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That may or may not be true. The only issue is why you have to insist he's an idiot for doing so. You have the perspective of an audience member, who with a knowledge of tropes, can somewhat predict how the story will flow. Especially considering the narrative tries to make both of them eternal rivals, with the Rider War and all that. But from Kouta's perspective, it is simply doing the right thing and nothing more.
There is nothing wrong or idiotic in trying to do the right thing. Kouta's not on a moral highhorse, he didn't go on some spiel about how he's better than anyone else. He's just doing what he thinks is right. Whether it will bite him later on or not does not factor into his decision because he wouldn't know what Baron would eventually become. Again, he doesn't have the audience's perspective. Isn't it a fair thing to give Baron the benefit of the doubt? It may be a disastrous decision (we don't know yet), but it's not idiotic and regardless of whether it will bite him later or not, I applaud him for sticking to his principles. Finally, the Doctor may have said, "The best war, is one never started" but he also said: "Do I have the right? Simply touch one wire against the other and that's it. The Daleks cease to exist. Hundreds of millions of people, thousands of generations can live without fear, in peace, and never even know the word Dalek...But if I kill, wipe out a whole intelligent lifeform, then I become like them. I'd be no better than the Daleks."Even if it would eventually result in his species' extinction and the death of countless lives, the Doctor kept to his principles.
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11-19-2013, 08:56 PM | #47 |
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Kurokage and Gridon were ganging up on Kaito, it was an unfair match, and Kouta wasn't going to stand around and let that happen, just because he's a good guy, doesn't mean he's on a moral highhorse. He did what he thought was right, and it's pretty clear Kouta isn't the kind of guy to think about consequences.
Also, why does everyone seem to be thinking Kaito is just some ultimate bad guy stuck in a kid's game? For one thing, the people in the game pretty clearly don't think of it as a kid's game, only the people outside of it do, even if they're the ones who are more or less right. Which also helps to justify Kouta's reasoning, he doesn't think of their battle as just kids playing around, I mean they're using lethal weapons against each other. Another thing is, Kouta seems to realize that Kaito isn't actually that bad a guy, he's got a good heart. |
11-19-2013, 09:00 PM | #48 |
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Good hearts are all well and good, but when that good heart is wielding a weapon of mass destruction and beating you into the floor, you may need to look at a wider picture. Kouta is young, youth is coupled with naivety - I hope Kouta isn't punished for something which is beyond his control but with the writer that is at the helm, I think there's gonna be hell to pay. Possibly literally.
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11-19-2013, 09:01 PM | #49 |
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But as I explained, this is not a question of life and death, it's only the disarming of the villain. In the civilised world, we take the weapons away from the Dictator, not their life. Kouta had no reason to be against disarming Baron. He's surely seen enough movies to know how this will end.
Now, if Baron was a proven homicidal murderous maniac, then perhaps circumstances will necessitate disarming him. But now it just looks like playing dirty. Notice that Baron's Lock Seed didn't fly to Kurokage's or Gridon's hands when they defeated him, because it was not within the game rules and not "legal". And also, this assumes that destroying the Sengoku Driver is a simple and painless affair. We don't know that, and most importantly, Kouta doesn't. The device is still attached to one of the most vulnerable parts of the body. It doesn't look harmless.
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11-19-2013, 09:05 PM | #50 |
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I will be the first to admit I was wrong.....I don't want Gridon and Kurokage to die.They bring so much entertainment to the series.After Baron,those 2 are def my favorites.
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