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10-17-2022, 01:16 AM | #11 |
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Most of the time, Kagami got beaten up because of his own decisions. I don't recall Tendou tricking or goading him into doing something that ended up this badly for him.
Typically, things ended badly for Kagami when he didn't do what Tendou said. Here, Keiwa listens to Ace, and got shat on for it.
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10-17-2022, 01:30 AM | #12 |
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Most of the time, Kagami got beaten up because of his own decisions. I don't recall Tendou tricking or goading him into doing something that ended up this badly for him.
Typically, things ended badly for Kagami when he didn't do what Tendou said. Here, Keiwa listens to Ace, and got shat on for it. It's just that they weren't rivals, but here the rules are different. But in general, I think the characters are too keen on competition and ignore cooperation. That is, tell Ace Keiwa about the secret mission, he would willingly agree to help and no conflict would arise in principle. |
10-17-2022, 02:41 AM | #13 |
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It's just that they weren't rivals, but here the rules are different. But in general, I think the characters are too keen on competition and ignore cooperation. That is, tell Ace Keiwa about the secret mission, he would willingly agree to help and no conflict would arise in principle.
Ace goads Keiwa into action solely because he knows of the secret mission and how to beat the monster, and lets Keiwa get utterly destroyed in the process. I get that they're rivals, and Ace plays to win, but it's also the reason why I didn't like Ace this time. When we just finished an episode that tried to play Mary off as the backstabber, Ace honestly comes off as much worse.
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10-17-2022, 10:07 AM | #14 |
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It's still why I didn't like Ace this go-round. Other "Ace" riders tend to let others face the consequences of their actions, typically in not listening to them.
Ace goads Keiwa into action solely because he knows of the secret mission and how to beat the monster, and lets Keiwa get utterly destroyed in the process. I get that they're rivals, and Ace plays to win, but it's also the reason why I didn't like Ace this time. When we just finished an episode that tried to play Mary off as the backstabber, Ace honestly comes off as much worse. I hope that Keiwa will be able to fix he, although so far everything is going to the opposite. P.S. In general, Ace is very lucky that he is not in Ryuki. Odin just counted on guys like him. |
10-17-2022, 10:18 AM | #15 |
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Wow, Ace's youth would make even Amatsu Gai envious! However, living for such a long time and spending most of it fighting a neverending battle against both the Jyamato and the DGP system sounds like a heavy burden for one man to bear alone.
I have a theory about our missing Miss Ukiyo. Maybe she was once a Kamen Rider who succeeded in becoming a God of Desire, but her desire was to erase an event from memory for some reason, including herself as a side effect, a memory that Ace is trying to revive. The Ninja Raise Buckle makes sense as the solution for defeating the last boss, as the combo of stealth, speed and defense is useful for approaching the can unexpectedly and kicking it. The way of obtaining it might even be a reference to Kamen Rider Shinobi, as Geats acted as a "shadow to protect the weak" by completing the level's secret mission, albeit only by letting the "weak" Tycoon endanger himself first using the same deception from Episode 2. Quote:
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An interesting episode in which no answers are given, but new details emerge. I found it interesting that even though Ace wished to be a "star among stars among stars" it seems that Neon still attracts more attention. Is this related to the limitations of desire he mentioned earlier? If so, then if Michinaga wins, all current riders will disappear, but nothing will stop DGP from recruiting new ones. And if win Keiwa, the current wars will stop, but, again, new ones will break out later.
Michinaga's desire was to gain the power to crush all Kamen Riders, so he probably wants to deal with them personally rather than let the DGP erase them. Even if they recruit new Riders, I imagine he'll just rejoin using his God of Desire privileges to crush those as well. Keiwa's desire would cause humanity to become stagnant without adversity to spur them in to action, while leaving the Jyamato who aren't part of the world and therefore exempt from world peace to continue their rampages against a world unprepared for any kind of violence. Alternatively, the end of desire and free will, but I doubt the DGP would accept that.
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10-17-2022, 01:09 PM | #16 |
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So this episode finally focuses on Ace, more about him unravels here.
So actually the theory of Ace living for very old time is true, he has been fighting since 1 A.D. He seems to be looking after his mother, who told him to forget her and move on, and so this is how Ace thinks that the best solution, along with how the history of a DGP where all Riders are killed by the current final boss Saboten Knight Jamato got erased, is just to forget the tragedy and move on, which he demonstrated on Michinaga when he first met him. Ace seems genuine to try helping with this method, but of course, he's misguided as it's terrible solution as this'd downplay their problems, and toxic positivity is something that runs on this. This creates even more questions around him, or his mother and DGP, which is good as more hook to the series, like why his mother left him, and what identity her mother held (who resembles Sophia in Saber for some reason), or if his mother was DGP participant and had a wish relating to Ace's immortality or if it's Ace's own wish in his early DGP, or if DGP also started that long and dunno how the world hasn't been fucked up by the wish considering how many despicable person can enter it, or if Ace has won all of them since 1 A.D, which also questions what list of wishes did he have, etc. Same question remains on why DGP is so secretive, like Tsumuri not telling that the can must be kicked outside the arena. That's the explanation of Ace's nonchalant behavior towards any events around him, he may be successful in practicing that but doesn't mean others can. Otherwise though, as a kitsune, Ace can exhibit some textbook sociopathic qualities (which certifies him as anti-heroic lead), in how he's a smooth talker, which he uses as a superficial charm to bait others, a need for stimulation, and he can be manipulative as well as being apathetic to some degree, of which, the last one, is what his previous limited emotional affect towards events that don't concern him can manifest as, like his lack of concern to Keiwa's heavy injuries. He hasn't showed something as severe as this before, but it's not exactly an unexpected thing for him with his previous behavior. Keiwa calling Ace out for his games is likely the part of his stimulations. Outside of being used by Ace, Keiwa still has grown more backbone here, as he refuses to give the Boost Buckle to Michinaga who demands it, and even guilt-tripping him to try making him give it up that it'd be his fault to try proving himself and fail, dooming everyone. Unfortunately for him, Michinaga's proven quite right that he'd not be able to win the game here with it, though it's against the final boss who has beaten Buffa up despite that Buffa underestimated him. And at the end he too, finally got mad at Ace for using him, not only to more minor characters like Morio before. Ace's behavior seems to have pissed off even Neon too, who confides to him before with their personal talk. This episode (and moreso next one for Sakurai family, albeit by Sara being damsel in distress) focuses more on Sara as well, and her dynamic with Keiwa is a bit wacky and teasing but overall loving, and the big sister here feels more equal to the younger sibling compared to the likes of Airi or Akira Kazuraba who feels full-on mom. It's a joke on Keiwa's expense (he can be both lucky and unlucky..) that Sara thinks he's watching porn, but that connects to her big sister vibe to assure him that it's something fine for adult man to do. Continues on the reveal of Keiwa having his peacemaker desire since little as a note for his older self which Sara notes that he's still the same or has ninja fantasies, but is actually rooting for him to achieve that. Fully expected that Sara would squee at a chance to meet both Ace and Neon at once, celebrities she's a huge fangirl of, though didn't expect for Neon to become a fan back at Sakurai family, albeit it's related to her established character of wanting to experience love which the siblings demonstrated behind the teasing part. This'd also even extend to a main plotline of Ace claiming he understands Keiwa's world peace wish to manipulate him, or likely there's some truth behind it to explore later in him moping against the Sakurai moments, likely longing for that experience, as Ace has mommy issues too, like Neon (more similarities other than them being celebrities). Other than the comedy of John crossdressing to catch Neon though, dunno why Neon still repeats the same stunt of livestreaming her escape after ep. 4 (though she'd be tracked anyway).... The reveal of the other top-tier Buckle so far, Ninja, which can only be obtained via a rare sidequest, and it seems to be the most versatile Buckle so far, living up to the difficulty of obtaining it, to give you speed and some flight to avoid the Saboten Knight's attacks as well as multiplying yourself and giving you access to all elements. Dunno what's the drawback other than its rarity. Though despite his manipulation and said Buckle, Ace failed here, to kick the can into the boss instead, due to lack of information.
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10-17-2022, 09:10 PM | #17 |
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I just really like this show so far. I see some people don't like Ace, but I personally really appreciate that we are getting a protagonist who has some serious negative qualities to him, it can be rare to have that in Rider. I also think it will form a good basis for future character development.
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10-18-2022, 12:47 AM | #18 |
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10-18-2022, 02:43 AM | #19 |
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is the budget for this series far lower than Saber and Revice before it? Everything is recycled props, and everyone using the same black undersuit with difference in helmets only and some armor attachments. Also the CGI is lower in quality overall.
But the story is more captivating, and almost not relying to annoying quirks that permeate Zero-One, Saber, and Revice. Maybe this finally be the series that make me watch till the end. |
10-18-2022, 08:12 AM | #20 |
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That's pretty normal for "Rider War"-type series. Rider suits are expensive, and they're introducing a whole bunch right at the start so the costume budget has to stretch. It works in the context of the story.
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