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10-03-2019, 07:44 PM | #191 |
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I will put in a tentative recommendation for the Build Final Stage here. As a stage show it's a bit goofy and a bit of a retread, it's not a must-watch by any means, probably isn't canon, but...if you want some more of that good Build humor and character interactions I think it's a worthwhile watch. Without going into it with too many expectations, I think it felt like a very genuine and fun Build story.
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I'm glad to see that the ending of Build largely worked for you, though. There were definitely a few minutes during some of the fights where I was like, "Is... is this a little dull? Should this be doing more for me?" But then it all got a pretty sweet bow on it, and I left happy. It's a fun show that definitely did more right than wrong. That's hilarious! No, you didn't tip your hand, it was well-done. I think the most upset I got at the last four episodes was when Sento lays out his Earth C plan, and I'm, like, "Wasn't that Bikaiser's plan? From a year ago? That you teamed up with a half-dozen Riders AND THE GREATEST SUPPORTING CAST MEMBER OF ALL TIME to defeat? Is no one going to bring that up?"
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10-03-2019, 11:51 PM | #192 |
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I've really enjoyed your written thoughts on this whole show. Even when our opinions don't line up, it was always fun to see you articulate how you felt about or what you took away from every few episodes.
Grease and Rogue both had powerful exits, but while I think I found myself thinking 'this is taking a while' during Grease and Misora's scene at one point, I was totally blown away by Rogue's last stand. The broken helmet, that shadow, the music as he flashbacks through his entire journey as a character from the start. So good. I don't have anything else to say about anything that hasn't already said a hundred times by others or even myself. I will just add that even though everybody believed the merging of the worlds would allow Build to have a neat segue into crossing over with Zi-O, it actually really didn't do that at all, but I'll let you see for yourself when you get there. If you haven't found it already, I believe Final Stage was subbed by Genmcorp. |
10-04-2019, 12:11 AM | #193 |
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Grease and Rogue both had powerful exits, but while I think I found myself thinking 'this is taking a while' during Grease and Misora's scene at one point, I was totally blown away by Rogue's last stand. The broken helmet, that shadow, the music as he flashbacks through his entire journey as a character from the start. So good.
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I don't have anything else to say about anything that hasn't already said a hundred times by others or even myself. I will just add that even though everybody believed the merging of the worlds would allow Build to have a neat segue into crossing over with Zi-O, it actually really didn't do that at all, but I'll let you see for yourself when you get there.
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10-04-2019, 05:09 AM | #194 |
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Glad to see Gentoku's sacrifice getting the recognition is deserves, beardo did a good job. And maybe it's my background as a Sci-Fi dork, and I'm a lot willing to go with complicated timey wimey bollocks than the average viewer, but I definitely felt the end arc was an uptick from the Daddy Kasturagi plot. Maybe it's the fact it managed to fit so much character stuff in there too, but I felt like the show ended on a high.
Can't believe you didn't mention the best scene from the finale. Sento, fully ready to go fly Evol into the dimension scar thing (and, once again, probably kill himself doing it, whoops), tries to say bye to Banjou. And Banjou, genius that he is, his best mate in all the world, clocks him dead. Because Sento figured this all out. He built this new world, and he deserves this new world of Love and Peace far more than Banjou does; some dolt who punched the right thing hard enough. It's just the final moment of character development for him - we've come so far from the Banjou who did everything purely for self-gain. Especially when the rest of the episode has him bottled up so the focus can (rightly so, he *is* the main character) be on Sento and Brad Stark. I mean, the real best part is when Sento's all ready to be alone in the new world, being all melancholy and stuff, and then Banjou walks in out of nowhere, not understanding any of it. I may have shed a few tears. As for the other stuff, watch the Prime Rogue special pls. Final Stage is good, I watched it myself a few weeks back, it's definitely feels a little more childish (and nonsensical), but it has the heart of the show. Heisei Generations Forever... that's a little more oof. It has some good, it has some bad, I'm not the biggest fan.
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10-04-2019, 09:41 AM | #195 |
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Glad to see Gentoku's sacrifice getting the recognition is deserves, beardo did a good job. And maybe it's my background as a Sci-Fi dork, and I'm a lot willing to go with complicated timey wimey bollocks than the average viewer, but I definitely felt the end arc was an uptick from the Daddy Kasturagi plot. Maybe it's the fact it managed to fit so much character stuff in there too, but I felt like the show ended on a high.
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Can't believe you didn't mention the best scene from the finale. Sento, fully ready to go fly Evol into the dimension scar thing (and, once again, probably kill himself doing it, whoops), tries to say bye to Banjou. And Banjou, genius that he is, his best mate in all the world, clocks him dead. Because Sento figured this all out. He built this new world, and he deserves this new world of Love and Peace far more than Banjou does; some dolt who punched the right thing hard enough. It's just the final moment of character development for him - we've come so far from the Banjou who did everything purely for self-gain. Especially when the rest of the episode has him bottled up so the focus can (rightly so, he *is* the main character) be on Sento and Brad Stark.
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As for the other stuff, watch the Prime Rogue special pls. Final Stage is good, I watched it myself a few weeks back, it's definitely feels a little more childish (and nonsensical), but it has the heart of the show. Heisei Generations Forever... that's a little more oof. It has some good, it has some bad, I'm not the biggest fan.
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10-04-2019, 10:20 AM | #196 |
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Oh, for sure. It's so much more of what was good about the series. Some of my complaint isn't exactly the lack of scientific explanation (this is still a TV show about how a series of tiny bottles grant magic powers when put in a special belt) as it is a weird hand-wave of ethical concerns and complications. Sento's like, "We're going to pull another Earth out of a black hole and combine it with our Earth, and I don't know what'll happen afterwards except Evol(t) will be dead," and the whole cast is like, "Sounds good, I guess." Even for Kamen Rider Build, Sento is saying insane things, and no one's really reacting to it. Weird choice!
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No, that was good. You're right. I felt like it had more to do with Banjou realizing that, as he had some of Evol(t)'s DNA, the new world might be at risk if he stayed on it, so he'd have to leave with Evol(t). But, man, I like your read, too. I like that it ties into Banjou's later "you were our hero" speech, where Sento had sacrificed so much to save everyone so many times, he should have this small reward of survival. That's very sweet. I like it.
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I'm gonna unspoiler that, since I already referenced it. That part was great! I could've been okay with Sento being the lone survivor, essentially, the only one who remembered the struggles and triumphs and friendships and family of the last 49 episodes, but NOPE here's Banjou, and the show gets the best ending it could have. It's great. It's great like Ankh showing back up in the winter movie, where Eiji is just destroyed by his good luck, and Ankh's just, "You got fat." Here, you've got reconciled Sento and freaked-out Banjou, and it's just the right reunion energy.
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Prime Rogue I did a week or so ago, I think just before Be The One, and it was fun. Not as bizarre or emotional as Kuma Grease, but a lot of funny stuff with Gentoku and Misora. Final Stage is maybe the last Build thing I'll watch, after New World and the other short films. HGF, that's going to wait until Zi-O, which is going to have to wait for the first ten Heisei series, soooo... a year? Maybe?
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10-04-2019, 10:35 AM | #197 |
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It was going to be Zi-O, then I saw a bunch of casting announcements for the back-half of Zi-O's season and it's wall-to-wall Phase 1 Heisei guys. So, it looks like I'm going to need to watch all 10 of those series before I watch Zi-O. (Not have to, no one's making me, but need to. If I just went into Zi-O there'd be this part of my brain going, "Remember Dr. Pac-Man? And how you didn't get nearly enough of the references when all you'd watched was Ex-Aid?") Masked Rider Kuuga is next for me, but I'm probably going to do the Ex-Aid stage show right before, since I just learned that existed a few weeks ago.
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10-04-2019, 11:39 AM | #198 |
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Happy to see you enjoyed Build overall. It's my favorite Rider series, though admittedly I've only watched about 5, so there might be a better one I haven't watched yet. The ending worked for me, the change from government conspiracy to civil war to battle against an alien abomination felt better paced watching it week to week. I loved how it both gave things a happy ending, with everyone back to life, while still making their sacrifices count, with the all but Sento and Ryuga not remembering anything, though I appreciated the little hint that Misora still found Sento strangely familiar. Also, I definitely recommend watching the stage show. It's really fun, and fits well into canon.
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10-04-2019, 12:48 PM | #199 |
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Happy to see you enjoyed Build overall. It's my favorite Rider series, though admittedly I've only watched about 5, so there might be a better one I haven't watched yet. The ending worked for me, the change from government conspiracy to civil war to battle against an alien abomination felt better paced watching it week to week. I loved how it both gave things a happy ending, with everyone back to life, while still making their sacrifices count, with the all but Sento and Ryuga not remembering anything, though I appreciated the little hint that Misora still found Sento strangely familiar. Also, I definitely recommend watching the stage show. It's really fun, and fits well into canon.
The pacing, that change up from small Touto stories to bigger Japan stories to epic universe stories, felt problematic to me in retrospect. So much of the core starting narrative feels resolved in episode 22, and the "Banjou is a fugitive" arc into the Hokuto War arc felt really fluid and like a natural consequence of the characters' actions. After 22, the Seito War arc into the Evol(t) arc, it frequently felt both repetitive, with the Seito War, and like it was losing the characters in the spectacle and shocking reveals. Nothing that ruined the show for me, but the back half felt way more top-down plotted (things happening to the characters) and way less bottom-up plotted (things happening because of the characters). The scene where Misora is trying to remember Sento is one of the most Build things to happen in that finale. It moves from: -Sadness, as Misora doesn't really know Sento, one of her dearest friends -Hope, as Misora feels that connection, somehow -Joy, that look on Sento's face that maybe there's still a place for him in this new world -Humor, because HA HA it's just that he looks like the frontman for Lynks -Respect, because goddamn, did they really just cap off a hugely dramatic moment with a joke callback to an episode from almost a year ago? It's cool that this series is one of your favorites! There's a bunch of franchise high-points in it, and judging from the recent poll, you're not alone in your enjoyment of it. If you don't mind my asking, which other series have you watched?
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10-04-2019, 04:50 PM | #200 |
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Taro Satou was apparently a big bomb meme in Japan, so that's their reference to that. As well as the Utsumi cane thing. It's like if Ex-Aid turned Dan Kuroto into a comedy god because the fandom liked him or something.
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