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09-01-2020, 04:08 AM | #61 |
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It is pretty head-scratching to imagine how for the first thirty or episodes, despite knowing what they wanted the final fight to be Zero-One vs Horobi, they didn't know quite how to set it up.
You think it'd be fairly easy since Horobi has always been 'gotta kill humans' and Aruto is like 'no dont do that'! |
09-01-2020, 04:27 AM | #62 |
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Also, regarding politics. VoidinToku's comment about how the ending changed for those reason is ridiculous, but that doesn't mean the extreme opposite idea that 'these japanese tv shows can never reflect societal problems in real life because those kinds of issues don't exist in japan' is any less ridiculous too. I at least don't think Chasing was implying that Japan doesn't have politics or anything.
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09-01-2020, 05:15 AM | #63 |
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Perhaps I’m narrowminded but I strongly dislike people trying to bring what happens in a country to themselves, to their country history.
I don’t think BLM had anything to do with the humagears protests in Zero One. Not everything is turning around what happen in the USA. Kiwami, the right to have rights and to be respected is something that every human being is fighting for, so yes, I don’t think that bringing BLM into the discussion is relevant. The Hong Kong protest and BLM weren’t the first prostests so yeah... Keep the politics out of it and take the show as a message that every human beings and humanoids should have the same rights... |
09-01-2020, 07:29 AM | #64 |
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You cannot keep politics out of a medium that was influenced by politics. Stop trying to. Ignore them if you want to, but do not talk like they don’t exist. Because that isn’t a political statement at all? |
09-01-2020, 08:01 AM | #65 |
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Kiwami I get what you’re saying here, and in a vacuum I agree with it, but I still highly doubt this was influenced by BLM. The way Humagears were set up, I think a rights protest like this was ALWAYS going to happen; and they couldn’t really predict what was happening now 2 years ago.
I would more likely look towards the multiple protests Japan itself has, for instance there’s a lot of protests against the government; protests in favour of immigrants’ rights; protests in favour of womens’ rights; etc. It’s no small wonder a japenese drama would do a theme of protests and minorities and we’ve seen it before. In my mind though, I think what they were trying to go for was general unrest in the world than any particular issue. Since at least 2016 the world’s been wrapped up in divisive political issue after divisive political issue, and I feel both Build and Zero-One decided to focus on that; to varying degrees of success. Zero-One didn’t need one more protest to encourage it to write about this when it’s been an everpresent reality for half a decade.
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09-01-2020, 09:50 AM | #66 |
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Personally I think it's obvious given the timeframe but since there's no way to prove it I won't argue with anyone if it was part of the inspiration or not.
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09-01-2020, 10:33 AM | #67 |
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Again, Kiwami, I don’t want you to think I’m antagonising towards you because it’s not the case, I like your interactions on the forum, I think you’re raising valid points.
But look, I lived in a country that was known to protest a lot, to be on strike a lot...I now moved in a country also known to protest a lot ( Belgium) When I say that every human beings should fight for their rights to be equal towards others, I mean it as «*those who do not have the same rights as others*» not those overprivileged pieces of shit that govern us. I think there might have been a misunderstanding between us... Also, I think that the way the series was setup from the start would have led to that, BLM, Hong Kong protest, or not. I mean, even japanese protest a lot because there are inequalities in their country. |
09-01-2020, 11:30 AM | #68 |
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I think that's the other way around. you're using the timeframe to make the connection.
Even without BLM, that kind of theme was bound to happen in zero-one. It was the whole point of the show to depict humagear as almost equal to human, discovering they have feelings too, that they're not only tools, and in the end, ask for rights. Because that's the natural progression of such a theme. |
09-01-2020, 11:53 AM | #69 |
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Maybe. But I still take issue with your statement that Japan "don’t give a shit about what happened in the US". Because they do.
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I think that's the other way around. you're using the timeframe to make the connection.
Even without BLM, that kind of theme was bound to happen in zero-one. It was the whole point of the show to depict humagear as almost equal to human, discovering they have feelings too, that they're not only tools, and in the end, ask for rights. Because that's the natural progression of such a theme. |
09-01-2020, 05:31 PM | #70 |
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To drag this back to the episode at hand, this was a lot like Zero-One as a whole - some odd choices, but I enjoyed it overall. Horobi and Aruto's final fight works for me, especially in the resolution, and it doesn't disappoint both in how it reinvents the "Gotta use the base form on last time" and just pure action. It's like they looked at what Ghost did with it's finale, and improved on that, what with the whole "Sometimes, the solution is to reach out your hand" etc. Aruto thinking about his dad (because that's what that scene is about for me, not Zea masterminding it) and using his memories and experiences to pull him past his anguish and grief, and then pulling Horobi out of his? That's what I'll remember from this.
As for the rest of the cast? Well, they're certainly here! People are ragging on Vulcan's ending, but honestly, it's the perfect one I can see for him. He's moved past his rage at society, and he's made his peace with how his family (which he doesn't even remember) are doing, so what's left but to go help people? Even if that punch totally covered the woman in glass, way to go dude. Do I wish he'd got another scene with the Prez? Maybe, but Vulcan always did his own thing. Yua and Naki going into AIMS? Look, I'm just happy Naki (and also Ikazuchi, talk about a nothing character) got remembered for the big montage, and that they managed to keep to Naki picking their path in life. Yua's lack of focus in the season is always going to be a sticking point, and her character was underdeveloped, but we'll always have the resignation punch. Highlight of the season, even if it lost her the ZAIA pension. Horobi and Jin reforming MestubouJinrai as a vigilante group devoted to stopping malice? Coming full circle from the start of the show, even down to Jin calling him dad again? Sure, I like it. I also don't mind Jin's resurrection, although that's mainly due to how the Horobi/Aruto fight resolved itself without him, so it's all thematically good. He's a phoenix, he comes back, he redeems. This also seems to me as Horobi's penance for causing so much trouble for 45 episodes, staying on the outskirts, staying forever vigilant. Against, say... Azu! I'm surprised how she just gets away to set up the not-summer movie, and I think I like it more for what it's saying (Just because two people have moved past, doesn't mean we did it, malice is no more - there will always be hatred) than how it does it. Reminds me of Ex-Aid's finale in a way. At least we have an easy lead in to the V-Cinemas this time around. And then, we get to Aruto. I want to like him reconnecting with Izu, but this bit just doesn't work for me that much. Even though the Vice-Prez and Shesta get to be there (Didn't think they'd be here, wow.) I get why the show does it - can't have 01 crossovers without their female lead, after all, and I like how it does emphasize this isn't the same old Izu - but it's just a little odd. Hopefully Iz-2 will get explored a little in summer movie town, but as for now, the show leaves us on Aruto Ja-Naito, and that'a fair enough. So yeah, 01. It did a lot of good, and it did a few things wrong. Solid mid-tier Rider show, decently enjoyable, lots of fun stories, tries to do a lot with the central theme, and doesn't reset the universe at the end. 7/10.
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