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Yes, more people would be great! | 52 | 46.43% | |
No, a smaller fandom is best. | 25 | 22.32% | |
I'm fine either way. | 35 | 31.25% | |
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07-06-2018, 07:10 PM | #71 |
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I can see why people don't like Power Rangers and like Sentai better. It's like with Robotech and Macross where they took a great sci-fi series with a lot of depth and turn into a dumb Saturday morning cartoon. Zyuranger may have been a dumb kids show, but I still take it over MMPR.
I don't care for the PR series at all, but at least there is some good stuff in the series (Even though there is not many in my opinion). So I don't hate the franchise. Quote:
The problem with the west adapting Japanese kid shows is cultural differences, what flies in Japan doesn't always fly in America, Dragon Ball ended up saying "Fuck it we'll make it seem more mature and aim to older kids and teens, this isn't acceptable for young kids here"
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07-06-2018, 07:15 PM | #72 |
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besides, saying that every north american children's series is bad is over-generalization. You're willfully ignoring the numerous great Transformers series made overseas (and how the japanese Transformers series tend to universally be worse), alongside things like Adventure Time, Regular Show, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Power Rangers RPM, and a lot of others. In turn, I can also reference a lot of kids media in Japan that sucks. Don't try to make it sound like you're better, you're just upset that Power Rangers makes you realize you like watching shows for 7 year olds Last edited by Bionichute; 07-06-2018 at 07:24 PM.. |
07-06-2018, 07:36 PM | #73 |
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Alright, this will be the last post I make here as its getting too heated.
Let me clarify; I did not intend to say ALL american kids shows are bad, I am saying that from what I have personally seen with my own two eyeballs is utter vomit. Build has definitely gone downhill but was decent near the middle. I am not better than anyone in any regards and merely feel american kids shows are much worse than japanese kids shows. |
07-06-2018, 07:40 PM | #74 |
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Eh, I feel like Batman: TAS, Samurai Jack (Pre-Adult Swim revival), Animaniacs, the original Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, and few others are good shows. While I do agree that Japan does make better shows for kids (I hate sounding like a weeb), but that is probably because Japan is more layback to content in kids shows. My Hero Academia is aim for kids and it has some scenes that won't work on a channel in America like Nick or Disney XD without being edited.
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07-07-2018, 12:15 AM | #75 |
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Alright, this will be the last post I make here as its getting too heated.
Let me clarify; I did not intend to say ALL american kids shows are bad, I am saying that from what I have personally seen with my own two eyeballs is utter vomit. Build has definitely gone downhill but was decent near the middle. I am not better than anyone in any regards and merely feel american kids shows are much worse than japanese kids shows. |
07-01-2021, 08:09 PM | #76 |
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I know the last post was in 2018. But I need to revive this topic again because I've been watching and observing tokusatsu and K-dramas (along with C-dramas, Taiwanese dramas, and non-Asian/non-English European dramas on streaming).
There's one thing that bother me: It seems like toku fans and K-dramas fandom never overlapped one another. It really bother me a lot because I seem to be the only one in toku fans (I'm sure there maybe other) that is also an avid K-drama/Hallyu fan too. I never seen any toku fandom helping K-drama fans to branch out to tokusatsu shows. I've seen K-drama fans branch out to Taiwanese dramas, Chinese dramas, but not tokusatsu shows. I've seen fans of K-dramas branching out and watching Ice Fantasy (think of a Chinese combined version of Avatar: the Last Airbender, and Game of Thrones), but not Kamen Rider or Ultraman. I never seen tokusatsu fans even bringing up certain K-dramas shows (or even fantasy wuxia show like Ice Fantasy) in their discussion circle. Like for example, Kingdom (you know on Netflix), Arthdal Chronicles (another fantasy K-drama on Netflix that is highly regarded in the US), Hwayugi/A Korean Odyssey (another fantasy K-drama that you can watch on Netflix). There are other fantasy K-drama that came out recently that borderline to tokusatsu territory (and worthy of discussion in tokusatsu fandom circle, and yes all of them are on Netflix for you to watch): Abyss Rugal Sweet Home (this apocalypse K-drama may appeal to any toku fans that have a Netflix subscription) The Uncanny Counter Memories of the Alhambra The School Nurse Files (this 6 episode Netflix K-drama would really appeal to toku fan) It's not only K-drama, I found some fantasy wuxia and Chinese-language show that borderline to tokusatsu territory like for example (these have been on Netflix in recent years): Once Upon a Time in Lingjian Mountain (yep, you can watch it on Netflix) Word of Honor (Another Chinese fantasy wuxia TV drama, 36 episodes long and on Netflix) The Devil Punisher (this one is from Taiwan and this fantasy Taiwanese drama borderline to tokusatsu territory, and yes you can watch it on Netflix) So why am I bringing this up in this thread, it's because some of these fantasy/sci-fi K-drama and wuxia C-drama would probably caused tokusatsu fans discussing and talking about should these be considered as tokusatsu. We're seeing non-Asian Americans watching fantasy/sci-fi K-dramas and wuxia C-dramas on streaming for the last few years and nobody in tokusatsu fandom in the US have brought this up!!!??? I mean one blogger I stumbled upon a few years back brought up this topic: Should Fans of Also Consider Wuxia Series and Sci-Fi Series as Tokusatsu? Mind Hurts: Why Do I Even Call Certain Fantasy-Based K-Drama And C-Drama As Toku?! I mean this blogger is correct (and I agree with him) and with the K-dramas and C-dramas I listed above being borderline to tokusatsu territory. I was baffled why not a single tokusatsu fan in the US have never brought this up. Am I the only one in toku fandom that watch K-drama and been observing the trend. I was also surprised despite the blogger post, nobody in tokusatsu fandom has brought this up or even cited this blog to discuss K-dramas and wuxia C-dramas when comparing those to Japanese tokusatsu. So you're telling me that no tokusatsu fans branch out to K-drama and C-dramas with fantasy or sci-fi elements (or stuff that reminds them of tokusatsu). You're telling me that no K-drama or wuxia fans branch out to tokusatsu, and you're telling me that no toku fans have made no attempt to help K-drama and wuxia fans branch out to tokusatsu shows. Also doesn't it bother you that Netflix are not picking up tokusatsu shows from Japan for worldwide streaming when the same Netflix are picking up K-dramas and wuxia dramas for worldwide audiences. How the hell is it not possible that tokusatsu fandom are ignorance of K-drama and wuxia C-drama being widespread on Netflix but not bother that Netflix isn't getting any tokusatsu? It really bother me and really ticks me off. It really make me scratch my head why nobody in toku fandom has never brought this up except me. Last edited by mdo7; 07-01-2021 at 08:17 PM.. Reason: want to add some clarification. |
07-01-2021, 08:27 PM | #77 |
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All I care about is whether or not it has a good story. I don't care whether or not it's animated, flash animated, puppetry, live action, CGI or stop motion. As long as the story is good, whatever goes. If the story is crap, forget it.
Of course, this is my opinion and not a representation of the tokusatsu community at large.
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07-02-2021, 01:52 AM | #78 |
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I suppose yes I want toku to be more mainstream, but at least from a British perspective I also don't want people to get the wrong idea about it because of a bad adaptation or something that's better not being popular because it's only on something like Netflix and not actually on a normal TV channel at a time where your average person might have otherwise watched it! My main objection to Power Rangers is on principle, I think, whereas I can see that some PR shows are better than the original though I do think Mighty Morphin is overrated and hasn't been all good for the reputation of the genre in all parts of the world. Plus animated Power Rangers I can safely say I will not watch, I'm not here for cartoons!
About the thing of other genres classed as toku though, I do like various forms of international TV especially if it's in a language I'm learning, like I've watched the Welsh-language soap opera Pobol Y Cwm on and off for over 10 years now although Welsh I'm fairly good at anyway whereas something like Thai I just haven't put the time in! I did consider things like the Sarah Jane Adventures,Wizards vs Aliens and classic series Doctor Who borderline(could perhaps be a bit of crossover given the half-hour format) but I'm not too knowledgable about Korean dramas as such, I have only completed both Rooftop Prince and the Korean version of Hana Kimi (both funnily enough from 2012!) but I do sometimes struggle to find a variety of things to watch in different languages. |
07-02-2021, 09:49 AM | #79 |
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2nd question: do you have a Netflix subscription (or do you share anyone's Netflix account to watch stuff on Netflix), or maybe a Amazon Prime Video subscription? Because like I mention in my previous post, there's been a rise in Korean (and wuxia Chinese) TV dramas border lining to tokusatsu territory. I mean you're telling me that you didn't know that K-dramas has been gaining popularity with non-Asian audiences in the west for the last few years thanks to streaming nor did you not know that K-drama has been experimenting with genre like sci-fi & fantasy that would borderline to toku territory. I'm kind of shocked that nobody in toku fandom has never even discussed Kingdom, or The School Nurse Files (both Korean drama), or even wuxia drama on discussion circle. Last edited by mdo7; 07-02-2021 at 09:53 AM.. |
07-02-2021, 11:39 AM | #80 |
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I suppose yes I want toku to be more mainstream, but at least from a British perspective I also don't want people to get the wrong idea about it because of a bad adaptation or something that's better not being popular because it's only on something like Netflix and not actually on a normal TV channel at a time where your average person might have otherwise watched it! My main objection to Power Rangers is on principle, I think, whereas I can see that some PR shows are better than the original though I do think Mighty Morphin is overrated and hasn't been all good for the reputation of the genre in all parts of the world. Plus animated Power Rangers I can safely say I will not watch, I'm not here for cartoons!
About the thing of other genres classed as toku though, I do like various forms of international TV especially if it's in a language I'm learning, like I've watched the Welsh-language soap opera Pobol Y Cwm on and off for over 10 years now although Welsh I'm fairly good at anyway whereas something like Thai I just haven't put the time in! I did consider things like the Sarah Jane Adventures,Wizards vs Aliens and classic series Doctor Who borderline(could perhaps be a bit of crossover given the half-hour format) but I'm not too knowledgable about Korean dramas as such, I have only completed both Rooftop Prince and the Korean version of Hana Kimi (both funnily enough from 2012!) but I do sometimes struggle to find a variety of things to watch in different languages. |
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