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04-08-2020, 07:08 PM | #321 |
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I'm not particularly interested in disagreeing with you on episode 28, but I am sad you didn't end up liking it. It's always been a favorite of mine, and the whole "I became a Rider to protect people! And that means I can protect Riders too!!!" bit is like, the definitive Shinji quote. For what it's worth, here's my take on the episode.
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04-08-2020, 07:37 PM | #322 |
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MASKED RIDER RYUKI HYPER BATTLE VIDEO: RYUKI VS AGITO
I love this shit. I love the goofy-ass magazine pack-ins and Net Movies and just all of the ephemera that goes along with a Kamen Rider series. I like how much they can screw with the format, how much they can let one random-ass idea play out without worrying about the context of the series... they're fun. I like that that can sometimes be enough. And this is fun! Shinji goes into a mirror, teams up with generous, friendly versions of Knight, Zolda, and Ouja, and fights monsters. They work alongside Agito (Shining Form) to defeat Agito (Burning Form). Then Shinji wakes up from his dream, gets teased by Ren, roll extraordinarily long credits. It's maybe eight minutes long, once you drop the credits. It's mostly fight scenes, and they entirely happen in Kamen Rider Warehouse. Like, there's not a lot of thematic heft to this one. It's something to get kids excited about watching Masked Rider Ryuki once a week. But what's amazing to me is that so much of the run-time is given over to Ren giving Shinji shit, and Shinji getting upset in ever more clumsy ways. Nearly as much as time, it felt like, as the monster fights with a Legend Rider. That's fascinating to me. The producers have this opportunity to, basically, pitch Masked Rider Ryuki to a group of kids who may not be watching it. So they pick the most important things to include in this special: a henshin, Vent Cards, four main Riders, a Special Guest Star, monsters, explosions... and Ren acting like an asshole-with-a-heart-of-maybe-bronze-but-not-gold to Shinji. That's the thing they thought was a pillar of Ryuki. Not just the relationship, the warrior's bond, but Ren calling Shinji stupid with a smile on his face. And, goddamn, not wrong! That very specific tone of their friendship, it's indelibly Ryuki to me. If you watch enough Heisei series, it can feel like you've seen every Rider/Rider variation, how they get along or don't or whatever. This, though, I don't feel like I've seen this thing in any of the other friendships or rivalries. The way Ren cares but doesn't care, the way he sincerely likes to see Shinji get mad at him, the way he never lets Shinji feel like he's in on the joke, I love it. It's outstanding chemistry, and I totally get how that could be the hook to get people to watch Ryuki.
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04-09-2020, 02:11 AM | #323 |
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Funny thing is that when I first watched Ryuki a long time ago as a child (it actually aired on TV where I lived!), I came I think sometime around the time Tezuka bit the dust, so this recap was actually kinda useful if only so I could experience Scissors getting eaten.
Even as a kid though, Ryuki getting a punch on golden bird man was cool... but that not having any effect just made the whole thing feel so tragically pointless. And I understand that is probably the point, but it still doesn't feel great to watch. |
04-09-2020, 03:31 AM | #324 |
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Yeah, I’m not keen on episode 28 either. They could’ve done so much with a reset button and all we get out of it is a clip show (and given what I’ve looked up about the Time Vent card, it’s not going to get much better in this series).
Also worth mentioning that Odin starts the grand tradition of the guy who voices the equipment playing a character in show (unless you count Denji Sentai Megaranger, since apparently, one of the minor technicians on that show was the voice announcing the numbers in the Digitizer/Battle Riser/Keitaizer). He does not however, start the grand tradition of explaining WHY they’re the same actor. That honour goes to Faiz (again, unless you count Megaranger). |
04-09-2020, 09:10 AM | #325 |
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Yeah, I sort-of figured that Ren wouldn't care too much about Yui's feelings of responsibility. That whole exchange, it's what I wanted to see way back in the Ren Has Narratively Convenient Amnesia two-parter. For all of the ways that he's suffering to save Eri, he doesn't seem like a dude who plays the blame game. He knows it's Shiro's fault, so he's not going to let Yui throw herself under that bus. Ren... I'm really liking Ren in these few episodes, with him feeling like a more emotionally healthy member of the team.
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It's a great running joke, and I'm so glad that Ren has an itemized bill for Shinji, instead of just making up higher and higher amounts. There's a dedication that Ren has to being an asshole to Shinji that is, to me, no less heroic than his actions as Kamen Rider Knight. These two torturing each other forever? I mean, that is some Relationship Goals right there.
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Unlike the other Riders who proceed the same, Shinji has memories of the previous timeline ingrained to him, although only temporary (creating an intense version of the trio scene at ep. 2, Shinji asking millions of questions that can't be answered). This drives him to make some attempts to change the war, like warning Kitaoka that Asakura is going to escape and become a Rider and that he has to prevent it, this can be considered his attempt to save Tezuka and Shibaura (unfortunately though, he was talking to debut Kitaoka), after he forgets when trying to warn Ren and Yui before (and this may also save Sudo if successful). Didn't you appreciate Shinji's effort to stop the Rider War before despite how impossible it is, why not here? Then he tried new methods instead, where it's to keep an infinite number of notes for something Rider War related he remembers before he loses the memory of it. Yeah, it was only a reminder about Odin's fighting style, to punch behind when a gold feather appears, but it's a symbolism that Shinji can fight against his destiny, and he's the only one NOT helpless against the war and Shiro's shenanigans, especially that he has found a method before (ex: to keep remembering Rider War events), Shinji has now become a permanent nuisance for Shiro in Rider War, not just in that one rewinded timeline. Shiro's gonna be especially wary of Shinji if he tried to pull that kind of stunt again, the small change of Ryuki punching Odin and doubled burden of Rider's death to fuel Shinji's determination is just a start of that. And would like to bring up something from ep. 26 again, as he said here, he still vows to protect other Riders (they are also people) And I still want to talk about this, your hate here aside, the debut for my favorite Rider in all aspects of Ryuki, Odin. Cronus' debut from Ex-Aid is similar to his. Both being the main antagonist's Riders named after a god, beating up every present Riders effortlessly while abusing their powers (flash step for Odin, time stop for Cronus), and they are accompanied by their own giant clock as they do their respective time powers. Odin's another one with a staff as his card scanner, it's clearly shown how Odin summons his staff for him to use but... how did Ouja summon his staff and have it disappear afterwards? It works like summoning Advent weapons perhaps (ep. 17 Gai)? Also they don't seem to use the staff for combat. BITCH SLAP!! Last edited by DreadBringer; 04-09-2020 at 11:44 AM.. |
04-09-2020, 02:21 PM | #326 |
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Funny thing is that when I first watched Ryuki a long time ago as a child (it actually aired on TV where I lived!), I came I think sometime around the time Tezuka bit the dust, so this recap was actually kinda useful if only so I could experience Scissors getting eaten.
Even as a kid though, Ryuki getting a punch on golden bird man was cool... but that not having any effect just made the whole thing feel so tragically pointless. And I understand that is probably the point, but it still doesn't feel great to watch. Quote:
Also worth mentioning that Odin starts the grand tradition of the guy who voices the equipment playing a character in show (unless you count Denji Sentai Megaranger, since apparently, one of the minor technicians on that show was the voice announcing the numbers in the Digitizer/Battle Riser/Keitaizer). He does not however, start the grand tradition of explaining WHY they’re the same actor. That honour goes to Faiz (again, unless you count Megaranger).
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Well, Ren is more "emotionally healthy" member because he's aloof and pushes other people away from him, meaning that he doesn't have much to care? There are only few people he actually cares like Eri and Yui. Shinji's kind of growing but still hostile. And there's still a scene of him totally breaking down over Eri in the episode at night. So the lesson here might be that... to be more "emotionally healthy" you should be more of a scoundrel (or even worse, full villains who just don't care about anyone, therefore he has no time for feelings). Actually by that, what I asked was how someone like Ren didn't show any animosity towards Yui ever? From the beginning of the series to present unlike to Shinji (Eri is his fiancée so it's obvious).
In that vein, I think it's just that Shinji really bugs him (despite warming to him) and Yui really doesn't. For a misanthrope like Ren, there's going to be people he hates, people he teases, people he tolerates, and people he connects with. It's just way way less of the last one, of which Yui can count herself. Quote:
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It a shame that you don't like this one, where I liked it because this is a recap episode that isn't an actual recap and is a part of the plot. Probably this won't change your mind because the outcome's still the same ("not what I wanted") but even if it didn't change, it's still actually about Shinji. Shiro rewinds time back to the past to save a childhood picture of Kanzaki siblings, but for Shiro, it inadvertenly has an unwanted side effect in a form of Shinji, and this will last. Shinji is Shiro's biggest obstacle in the war, more than just him wanting to stop the war, is that him being a total wild card in the war - the reason Tezuka called him unpredictable fate-wise and passes his quest to him, mainly because he's not a chosen Rider, and it really shows in this episode.
Unlike the other Riders who proceed the same, Shinji has memories of the previous timeline ingrained to him, although only temporary (creating an intense version of the trio scene at ep. 2, Shinji asking millions of questions that can't be answered). This drives him to make some attempts to change the war, like warning Kitaoka that Asakura is going to escape and become a Rider and that he has to prevent it, this can be considered his attempt to save Tezuka and Shibaura (unfortunately though, he was talking to debut Kitaoka), after he forgets when trying to warn Ren and Yui before (and this may also save Sudo if successful). Didn't you appreciate Shinji's effort to stop the Rider War before despite how impossible it is, why not here? Then he tried new methods instead, where it's to keep an infinite number of notes for something Rider War related he remembers before he loses the memory of it. Yeah, it was only a reminder about Odin's fighting style, to punch behind when a gold feather appears, but it's a symbolism that Shinji can fight against his destiny, and he's the only one NOT helpless against the war and Shiro's shenanigans, especially that he has found a method before (ex: to keep remembering Rider War events), Shinji has now become a permanent nuisance for Shiro in Rider War, not just in that one rewinded timeline. Shiro's gonna be especially wary of Shinji if he tried to pull that kind of stunt again, the small change of Ryuki punching Odin and doubled burden of Rider's death to fuel Shinji's determination is just a start of that. And would like to bring up something from ep. 26 again, as he said here, he still vows to protect other Riders (they are also people) It's cool to see the ways this episode worked for people, but it just didn't work for me. I honestly found the whole I Was Mad Before But Now I've Seen Things Happen For The Second Time And Now I'm DOUBLE MAD motivation to be... not my favorite. Corny, and not in the usual good way for Kamen Rider. I'm not sure that's how motivations are supposed to work? With a multiplier effect? Yeah, really didn't land for me. I'm okay forgetting it, going forward. Quote:
And I still want to talk about this, your hate here aside, the debut for my favorite Rider in all aspects of Ryuki, Odin. Cronus' debut from Ex-Aid is similar to his. Both being the main antagonist's Riders named after a god, beating up every present Riders effortlessly while abusing their powers (flash step for Odin, time stop for Cronus), and they are accompanied by their own giant clock as they do their respective time powers. Odin's another one with a staff as his card scanner, it's clearly shown how Odin summons his staff for him to use but... how did Ouja summon his staff and have it disappear afterwards? It works like summoning Advent weapons perhaps (ep. 17 Gai)? Also they don't seem to use the staff for combat.
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04-09-2020, 04:36 PM | #327 |
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And this is fun! Shinji goes into a mirror, teams up with generous, friendly versions of Knight, Zolda, and Ouja, and fights monsters. They work alongside Agito (Shining Form) to defeat Agito (Burning Form). Then Shinji wakes up from his dream, gets teased by Ren, roll extraordinarily long credits.
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I mean, it's "emotionally healthy" in that Ren's processing his feelings honestly, and being honest with what he needs from others. It's just, Ren's an asshole, and that's never going to change. It can be both things, emotion healthy AND an asshole. He's just, like, honest about needing to be an asshole.
In that vein, I think it's just that Shinji really bugs him (despite warming to him) and Yui really doesn't. For a misanthrope like Ren, there's going to be people he hates, people he teases, people he tolerates, and people he connects with. It's just way way less of the last one, of which Yui can count herself. Also just a trivia. What was the most popular name for females and males respectively in Japan at 2012? Quote:
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It's very Cronus, yes! That huge clock chime, the BONG BONG BONG is activating all of those old Cronus memories. Thanks for the reminder!
Kamen Rider Boss just backhands everyone all over the place, Ouja sort-of joins the team because he thinks Boss is a prick, Ryuki gets that awesome Strike Vent on an untouchable opponent, and Ryuki gets to have a big No, Eff YOU speech to get some heat back from Kamen Rider Boss. Quote:
I mean there's a very literal version of this in final fight with Emu and Parad's relationship and their final fight as enemies. Parad the entire series is shown to be unempathetic towards others. When Emu makes Parad confront his growing fear of death Parad learns to be empathetic and care about others. Emu in defeating Parad but saving him shows that he understands that people can be reached which is kind of a theme Ex-aid actually.
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04-09-2020, 05:21 PM | #329 |
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Just for this one episode, the pointlessness IS the point, and while I guess it's easy to see why that flavor wouldn't be for everyone, I legitimately do love the entire thing. It's weird, and I thought it was fun. I suppose that's all I can really say.
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04-09-2020, 05:31 PM | #330 |
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Look, just assume that when I say "folks", I mean "everyone but Fish Sandwich". I know you love the unlovable parts. I do, too, sometimes!
Sometimes. ("The pointlessness IS the point", though... man. They are grinding your face into the dirt and you are admiring the additional nutrients you're getting to eat.)
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