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05-23-2020, 04:22 PM | #301 |
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I think it all goes back to when he lost the Faiz belt to Kaido. A lot of his problems could've been avoided if Takumi had expressed himself emotionally, or asserted his emotional needs. That... that is not Takumi! Here, he'd have to defend himself, trust his friends, argue for his own perspective. Those are things that he just isn't capable of doing right now. To extricate himself from all of his friends' anger, he'd have to be vulnerable enough to ask for their understanding and compassion. Instead, he is definitely going to run away for awhile, and then he is definitely going to come back and make things worse.
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05-23-2020, 05:34 PM | #302 |
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Making Takumi’s episode even more stressful is that, uh, all of his friends hate him? Some of it’s Takumi’s fault, in that he can’t really explain himself at all, and I don’t blame his friends for turning on him. I mean, they’ve only known him for a few months, during which he’s been varying levels of insufferable. He’s always been tough to be friends with, and him rudely declaring Keitaro break up with a girl because Takumi has a bad feeling about it, along with being incredibly aggressive with Kusaka, it’s all a pretty bad look on Takumi. I get it, though. This is a guy who in the second episode kept trying to run away from people who wanted to get close to him. The fact that he ran away from their accusations this time and then came back for more is, like, probably the toughest thing he’s ever done. He hasn’t learned how to fight for what he wants, but he’s sure as shit learned how to absorb people’s scorn. I think that’s the heart of the “miscommunication”, or whatever. It’s that Takumi can’t talk about what he’s feeling, can’t express the conflict in his heart. He sees everyone turning against him, and he wishes it wasn’t the case, but he doesn’t have the tools to defend himself. Worse, his reflex is to lash out, mope, run away, make things worse. He doesn’t want to be in this position, but he at least can handle it. So he keeps plugging away, hurting feelings and confusing his friends, letting them get over it, then doing it all again. He’s probably his own worst enemy in this one. Quote:
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Ha ha NOPE it’s definitely Kusaka. That dude… I’m pretty sure he’s the devil? He’s great here, though, for real. Every time he’d trick Takumi into looking like the bad guy, and then Takumi would make himself look even worse than that… I mean, it couldn’t’ve gone better for Kusaka if Takumi had been in on it. Real curious what his endgame is, though. He’s got two moves, manipulate or destroy. Keitaro and Mari could be manipulated, so they seem safe. They treat him like a hero, take his side in his rivalry with Takumi. He seems happy with that. But Takumi didn’t buy it, so he’s got to be forced out, humiliated, reviled, probably killed. But what for? Why all of these machinations? Right now, Kuasaka’s all schemes, and I dig it, but I want to see where all of this is going. Like, currently it’s Control and Sadism, but, and then what?
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05-23-2020, 06:28 PM | #303 |
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See, this is the thing about the "miscommunication" in Faiz, for the most part anyway, that I'm really happy to see Die finding in it too: it's legitimately, dramatically, interesting. Even incidents as big as Takumi making zero attempt to explain why he protected Yuka from Kaixa, they say things about the characters, and the things they say are most definitely not merely "we needed a plot to happen to these people". There's some real juicy meat on the bones of this stuff if you just read into it even a little bit, I swear!
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05-23-2020, 06:51 PM | #304 |
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Some people call it miscommunication but it's definitely in character for Takumi to accept the blame for something he didn't do, as shown in Episode 5. At his old job, his colleagues blamed him for stealing money and he outright said it's better that way, for him to be scapegoated, even though Master never believed he did it. Takumi thinks he deserves punishment. That fear of hurting people makes him alone. If he doesn't fight, people die. If he fights, people die. He accepts the blame cause he blames himself. Even if he did defend himself, against Kusaka's reputation, who would they believe? He knows he wouldn't stand a chance as he is now. Kusaka doesn't hesitate to kill Orphenochs, which makes Takumi feel like he's not good enough anymore.
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05-23-2020, 11:08 PM | #305 |
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See, this is the thing about the "miscommunication" in Faiz, for the most part anyway, that I'm really happy to see Die finding in it too: it's legitimately, dramatically, interesting. Even incidents as big as Takumi making zero attempt to explain why he protected Yuka from Kaixa, they say things about the characters, and the things they say are most definitely not merely "we needed a plot to happen to these people". There's some real juicy meat on the bones of this stuff if you just read into it even a little bit, I swear!
That said, while I'd argue that frustrations with Takumi's attitude and choices are basically the show Working As Intended (you should want to Takumi to get better at friendships!), I don't blame anyone who doesn't find that emotional throughline something they want to spend 50 episodes with. It's... I mean, you need to feel like Takumi's growth has value, and if you don't, this show is not going to work. If he's not a compelling protagonist, I can see this show being a rough watch. (Also, hey everybody, the AEW PPV ran a little later than I thought, so no new Faiz episode today. Sorry! Maybe two on Sunday? No promises, but I'll give it a shot!)
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05-24-2020, 04:33 AM | #306 |
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That said, while I'd argue that frustrations with Takumi's attitude and choices are basically the show Working As Intended (you should want to Takumi to get better at friendships!), I don't blame anyone who doesn't find that emotional throughline something they want to spend 50 episodes with. It's... I mean, you need to feel like Takumi's growth has value, and if you don't, this show is not going to work. If he's not a compelling protagonist, I can see this show being a rough watch.
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05-24-2020, 05:26 AM | #307 |
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Kamen Rider's soap opera stuff is basically professional wrestling. If you talked about AEW and slapped Faiz's face over a screenshot, nobody would be able to tell the difference!
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05-24-2020, 03:15 PM | #308 |
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I think I'm starting to get this after Kurona called the show "marmite"? Because I've always found it weird how much flak Faiz takes for everything that isn't a suit design, and now I'm getting the feeling none of this is really about how good or bad the show is at what it's doing so much as the simple question of "how much of a s*** can I give?", and looking at it that way, it like, immediately makes sense why opinions on it are spread the way they are.
The conception of the character's arc was that he'd start prickly and insufferable, but grow to be the the more heroic Doctor that fans were used to. Problem was, while the writing team knew they were on an arc about character growth, the viewers tuning in each episode were like Why Is This Show About This Asshole. It ended up really not working, despite seeming like a pretty cool concept. (Of course, I'm sure there were plenty of other reasons why the show didn't work for that era. Like I said, I didn't watch it.) I wonder if arcs like that are better suited for finite, contained works, like a book or a movie. Doing them as a series of installments means a viewer has to keep wanting to continue the story, a story that they're not sure will be worth it. Like, with a movie you're probably going to see it through, while with a TV show you have to continuously choose to watch something that is purposefully difficult. Just a thought! Quote:
Anyway, that AEW event was wildly uneven. The Casino Battle Royale and Stadium Stampede matches, the ones that bookended the event, were great. (Well, I definitely don't give a shit about Brian Cage, so that's gonna take a few points off of the Casino match.) But, man, besides the MJF/Jungle Boy match, I thought the rest of the card was real dull. Maybe my least-favorite AEW PPV.
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05-24-2020, 04:48 PM | #309 |
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That’s the core of the issue Faiz, if you aren’t invested or care about the cast the narrative choices are going to tick you off due to them being solely caused by the personality’s of the cast
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05-24-2020, 05:09 PM | #310 |
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The conception of the character's arc was that he'd start prickly and insufferable, but grow to be the the more heroic Doctor that fans were used to. Problem was, while the writing team knew they were on an arc about character growth, the viewers tuning in each episode were like Why Is This Show About This Asshole. It ended up really not working, despite seeming like a pretty cool concept. (Of course, I'm sure there were plenty of other reasons why the show didn't work for that era. Like I said, I didn't watch it.)
The Doctor Who related thing this is reminding me of more than anything is probably Series 9 of New Who (The last Clara one). The overarching theme losely woven through is about the Doctor and Clara's relationship, whether or not it's good for them, how much it's changing them, etc, and it culminates in the final episode, Hell Bent, which is one of the most divisive episodes I know purely because of the reasons we've been talking about. It's effectively a whole episode where the plot is a device for these two characters to analyse their bond. If you vibe with the pairing, it's one of the mose heartfelt and personal episodes ever made. If you don't, it's an hour of pointless navel gazing that meanders between wasted settings. It's not a 100% similarity, but it kept coming to mind. (Incidentally, the reason I don't like Hell Bent and don't want to watch Faiz is because I really don't vibe with people being jerks to bad for each other purely because that's how they are. Like, I get that it's interesting and all, it's just not what I enjoy watching. I have enough problems with comminicating with people in real life, I don't wanna watch it!) (Also, you're not wrong with there being lots of reasons why Colin Baker's two series didn't quite work out well. My personal favourite is how the writer of his final episode died before finishing it, and the person who'd been trying to fix it quit after an argument with the producer (and thus they couldn't use any of his work on that serial), so it had to be patched up by writers they'd already had do a story, withoug looking at either previous persons' notes on how it was meant to go, in the space of a week or two.)
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