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06-15-2016, 09:14 AM | #71 |
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Just curious, how long would you expect people to wait before something isn't considered a spoiler? Should new Kamen Rider fans expect people to put every plot development in Kuuga, Amazon, or Agito in spoiler tags? Fourze? OOO? I'm not trying to start an argument, but there has to be some statute of limitations on spoilers.
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06-15-2016, 11:37 AM | #72 |
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If it is a major plot point or twist or something? Then no, there doesn't need to be one. It's literally just being considerate. A lot of people jump into the fandom with no prior knowledge and they should expect to not have things spoiled for them. It takes literally no effort to tag something major like that.
And in a franchise that does have a wide variety of seasons, the majority of which are like their own standalone show, each with its own theme that may catch someone's interest at any random point in time, they should feel welcome and safe within the community to discuss or talk about things without worrying about something getting ruined for them.
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06-15-2016, 01:00 PM | #73 |
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I'm sorry, I just don't see the point of having to hide plot events for shows that aired years, sometimes decades ago. By that logic, no spoiler ever could be discussed outside of spoiler tags because someone in the future may start watching it. Recent shows? Sure. But, it shouldn't be beholden for everyone to protect potential fans from information that is ridiculously out of date. Walking on eggshells to avoid spoiling a show that possibly aired before the user was even born? That's kind of bonkers.
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06-15-2016, 01:30 PM | #74 |
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A lot of these shows weren't even available to English speaking viewers until the past few years, though.
There isn't a set time table or grace period for when something should be marked as a spoiler, it all boils down to the poster's call. You just have to make a judgment call, but also keep in mind certain facts. For example, Ohranger was available to others, subbed for, about 9 months, and now it's completely unavailable until it's release by Shout Factory later this year. Using the prime counter argument, 9 months was plenty of time to watch the series in full, so theoretically it's fully justified to post every little event that goes on in it because the series aired 20 years ago, and the subs were available for 3/4 of a year. But is it fair to the people who didn't download it before all the subs were swiftly taken down, and now have to rely on streaming sites of lower quality and dubious nature? One has to post spoilers at their own discretion because there is no golden rule.
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06-15-2016, 01:41 PM | #75 |
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But it's not like the elements of the plot were completely unknown until the subs appeared. People may not have been able to experience it personally, but the information was still out there. I still think holding back spoilers for shows older than the person interested in them is crazy coddling. Twenty years is a long time.
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06-15-2016, 02:17 PM | #76 |
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Shockingly, I don't know what goes down in Ohranger. Here's the crazy revelation: I'm not going around and learning every little bit of info on a show I'm intending to watch.
I can't tell you a single thing about any 80's Sentai, despite them being around for 30 years. I can't tell you what happens in any Rider series released before Kuuga for much of the same reasons. What you see as coddling, I see as a common courtesy. Not everyone wants to know how Kuuga, Blade, Liveman, Jetman, or Winspector ends before they actually reach the ending. To justify it with "It's been out for 20 years" is rather weak. There's a difference between having a clear conversation about a series, preemptively telling anyone that, yes, spoilers are going to be around (This threat being about Gaim makes it obvious to anyone that hasn't seen Gaim that spoilers will be posted). But because this forum basically has 2 threads to discuss all of Sentai and Rider is a different story. Out of the blue, a post that intricately details the ending of, say, Blade without warning can appear. The translations for a lot of these series have not been readily available over the past decade. We're still waiting for Kamen Rider, the 40 year old show, to be fully translated, and as a result, the synopses for it is barren since they're often written by fans going off the translations as a result. The show has been out for 40 years, and most pages on Kamen Rider's individual episodes are basically "We'll let you know when we finally learn."
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06-15-2016, 03:18 PM | #77 |
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You get thirty days period. After that you will have to get over it or avoid. Keep on about it, I will make it until the next episode comes on or one week which ever comes first.
As for it being hard, Rangerboard uses the software as here but they provide a button to click. Here they make you type it out, I am a lot more inclined to do it over at Rangerboard. |
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06-15-2016, 04:10 PM | #78 |
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But it's not like the elements of the plot were completely unknown until the subs appeared. People may not have been able to experience it personally, but the information was still out there. I still think holding back spoilers for shows older than the person interested in them is crazy coddling. Twenty years is a long time.
As someone who's not at all averse to being spoiled, that seems like a narrow-minded viewpoint. I personally feel that if a story can't be enjoyed knowing the outcome, it probably isn't a very good story. I've seen lots of shows knowing tons of major plot details ahead of time, and I find it's more to fun to pick up on bits of foreshadowing you might not notice than it is to be in suspense all the time. I actually had Blade's ending spoiled on this very forum while I was in the middle of watching it a couple years ago, and that didn't stop it from being the best ending a Kamen Rider show has ever had. But that's the thing, I personally don't mind. New people are being born literally every day, and a lot of those people like to go into stuff they get interested in without knowing every little detail. It's not their fault they were born two decades too late, or that they'd never heard of it until a year ago. I don't think it's too much to ask you type two words in brackets before mentioning that Darth Vader is Luke's dad, is all.
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06-15-2016, 04:21 PM | #79 |
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Sorry but, yes, I find the concept of hiding any potential spoilers for all eternity because someone might be born two decades from now who could potentially watch a show over-the-top. You're effectively asking to censor conversation for people who may not ever even exist. It's an absolutely ridiculous extension of the special snowflake mentality where we have to coddle everyone and make sure no one goes home without an award. There is a reasonable expectation to avoid spoiling others and that is perfectly understandable. Spoiler tagging all spoilers for everything ever in perpetuity is far from reasonable, in my opinion.
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06-15-2016, 04:38 PM | #80 |
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Sorry but, yes, I find the concept of hiding any potential spoilers for all eternity because someone might be born two decades from now who could potentially watch a show over-the-top. You're effectively asking to censor conversation for people who may not ever even exist. It's an absolutely ridiculous extension of the special snowflake mentality where we have to coddle everyone and make sure no one goes home without an award. There is a reasonable expectation to avoid spoiling others and that is perfectly understandable. Spoiler tagging all spoilers for everything ever in perpetuity is far from reasonable, in my opinion.
Like this: You seem a little self-centered. I'm guessing you could still read that, right?
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