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10-05-2021, 06:44 AM | #431 |
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Funny enough Chiaki/Shinken Green and Kotoha/Shinken Yellow are the only teenagers with attitude during the show. Chiaki was a senior at high school at the start of the show while they never explained if Kotoha even went to one(home schooling maybe?) cause the focus on Kotoha was more about her substituting for her sickly older sister and her family is involved in crafting with bamboo. The rest of the four were grown-ups with attitude. Takeru/Shinken Red's job was literally being the samurai lord of his clan, Ryunosuke/Shinken Blue was a kabuki actor, and Mako/Shinken Pink was a nursery school teacher. Last but CERTAINLY NOT LEAST Genta/Shinken Gold is a suchi chef who makes... mediocre sushi.
Of course, his genius shines more as a samurai and being a homebrew mystic who can digitize mojikara. Genta is the only member who is a new addition to the clan after 18 generations of Shinkengers, meaning he has no predecessor. Again, emphasis on homebrew. Just watch the show. Fans of Okamoto will love Genta cause the man behind Black, Ohja, Kintaros, and Ixa did the suit acting for Shinken Gold.
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10-05-2021, 06:59 AM | #432 |
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I remember really liking this one! I won't deny the flaws of it not selling Shinkenger well, but... heck, honestly I was just having fun! I liked Takeru and Tsuskasa's little stare-down, I liked the visual of Kuuga helping out a great Sentai team... when I eventually watched Shinkenger I ended up watching these two episodes alongside it where they would have gone and just had a great time. I guess I just fail to not enjoy myself with Decade!
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10-05-2021, 08:54 AM | #433 |
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That one was even worse because, if I remember correctly, it came right smack dab in the middle of a big plot development. I think it was right when Micchy seemingly killed his brother and stole his belt?
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10-05-2021, 09:14 AM | #434 |
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KAMEN RIDER DIE: True! But this story is really about Tsukasa, and Natsumi, and what it feels like when the world is telling your friend they don't matter.
It's a fun flip of Natsumi's original arc, where she was more suspicious of Tsukasa's destiny. Here, she's sort of sick of everyone saying that Tsukasa doesn't help. CATWHOWALKS: This is what I was saying about this really being a Decade story. The Jii stuff ties in pretty well, but otherwise they are a vehicle for questioning the nature and purpose of Riders. If this world can do without Riders and be better off without them, where does that leave Tsukasa? Frankly I felt like pointing out to them at one point that it still has heroes, just a different kind, but there's still some sort of point to be made. KAMEN RIDER DIE: Yeah, it's a story that uses the absence of Riders to attack Tsukasa's sense of self-worth. Tsukasa is the one going through different worlds to help Riders achieve their potential, and then here's this world with no Riders and someone else stepped up. A lot of Tsukasa's identity is wrapped up in being Kamen Rider Decade, so he's uniquely vulnerable to an attack on his Rider personality. I thought this story had a very Kobayashi way of grounding Tsukasa's character a little more in the people around him, rather than his mission. The bonds of friendship are... not exactly something this show has really foregrounded, and it's nice (if unexpected) to have an arc about what Natsumi feels for Tsukasa, and how Tsukasa's heroism is about more than his powers. Quote:
I think the Shinkenger is just a fun episode, not really much for me to think of much. Funny though that in my first viewing of it, seeing the Shinkengers I was going: "Oh hey, it's the Power Rangers Samurai guys!" and then being confused when they weren't the Samurai guys. They did get me to check out Shinkenger back in the day, though.
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This is a world without Riders, so I guess I'll mention my 00s Sentai Ranking instead (conveniently the only decade I've completed). Shinkenger is 9/10. Keep in mind that a lot of my favorites are from the 00s so the competition is strong. I like it at least more than Magiranger though. The traditional Japanese elements only grew on me after I started watching Jidaigeki, as I wasn't very familiar with samurai culture at the time. Catwhowalks clearly knows a lot of intriguing stuff about this subject. I actually think the show could have done more with this like the rivalry between Takeru and Chiaki. What if Chiaki did what Masumi did in Boukenger and became a ronin? I think that would have been a cool subplot. My favorite character from this show is definitely Kaoru (who doesn't appear until much later) and I love when she appears in future crossovers. Unpopular opinion here, but I think Jonathan Tzachor did a great job at faithfully adapting it as Power Rangers Samurai, while giving it a western twist and focusing more on the friendship between the Rangers and the amazing rivalry between Jayden and Deker. It's those little changes that make a big difference.
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10-05-2021, 05:54 PM | #435 |
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That's a main Sentai thing yeah, the defeated monster turning into a giant for a mecha to fight with, the Power Rangers version usually call them Megazords. AFAIK the one who turned into a giant (from Power Rangers I've seen) is the main villain who sends the monsters to Earth, chanting a spell to do so, but it seems that there are no main villains to act like that. They could have handwaved it in this case, but they just ignore it instead. |
10-05-2021, 06:07 PM | #436 |
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These episodes are fantastic.
It's worth noting that this was literally the first ever proper crossover between Kamen Rider and Super Sentai (though it's perhaps also worth noting there was one between Masked Rider and Power Rangers), and I honestly continue to appreciate more and more as the years go by how small kept this? As I just mentioned, it's technically a pretty momentous occasion, but it's very strictly a crossover between Decade and Shinkenger, trying to get the best out of both those shows without throwing anything extraneous into the mix. And it benefits from that a lot. Kobayashi was doing utterly phenomenal work on Shinkenger that whole year, telling loads of great character-driven stories brought to life by an extremely talented cast who lent a ton of nuance to the already strong scripts, and Decade really lucks out getting to tap into that for even a fortnight. I've mentioned a ton of times before in this thread, but I always think of each arc of Decade as its own contained "movie" above all else, and this one really acts nicely as this sort of broad look at Decade as the eternal outsider, giving the "I only watched this for Shinkenger" crowd a solid idea of what makes the show unique, while giving the usual viewers a pretty heartwarming summation of how the journey itself maybe IS where Decade belongs. The Den-O episodes by Kobayashi kinda briefly touched on Natsumi's Tsukasa-related angst without it amounting to anything, but here, I really love how they focus in on that, and build it to her deciding that if she can't give Tsukasa a world, she can at least try and give him a home. The Shinkenger stuff is just awesome because it's Shinkenger, of course. There's that whole bit where Kaitou tricks them into thinking Tsukasa's camera is a bomb, and Kotoha is shoving Takeru to the ground to shield him from the blast, preventing him from explaining the obvious, all while Genta cowers behind a chair as though that will help and oh man do I ever love these guys. Naturally, I hadn't seen Shinkenger when I first watched Decade, but like Decade itself, it was a rather talked-about series among fans when I got into Rider and the bigger toku world, so I was vaguely familiar with the broad strokes going in. The whole style they bring to the table has always been and will always be amazing, and Takeru's whole "I don't think you're a destroyer" conversation with Tsukasa in the climax is one of my favorite bits of the whole show. You always see the guest stars teaming up with Decade, of course, but it's a lot rarer for them to so directly refute Narutaki's nonsense that way, and it fits this plot so well. ...Although I suppose it'd be easier to find things that don't fit well here, with how good these ones are. I find it sort of hilarious that Treasure Sniper plays in both episodes, despite Diend himself being taken out of the action for obvious reasons. (Oh, and that monster concept! Also one of the best of the whole series!) You can also tell Decade turning into Den-O is entirely for Kobayashi fanservice, as the only thing he does in that form is continue to swing the Ride Booker around like usual. (And he still hasn't used that Hibiki card since getting it back!) These aren't even nitpicks, though; I genuinely find all this quite amusing. Speaking of which: you what else was pretty amusing? That Genta fellow, and his comically over-the-top acting. Sure would be neat to see him in Kamen Rider again some day!
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10-05-2021, 06:28 PM | #437 |
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These particular episodes are my first exposure to Decade. I watched them mainly for seeing how Genta gets his squid origami back and for something different due to watching Shinkenger (which personally I find to be pretty decent but vastly overrated) at the time which in turn along with the first two Super Hero Taisen movies I watched sometime later got me to really get into the world(s) of Kamen Rider for the first time and had been slowly but surely getting into the franchise.
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10-05-2021, 08:21 PM | #438 |
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Unpopular opinion here, but I think Jonathan Tzachor did a great job at faithfully adapting it as Power Rangers Samurai, while giving it a western twist and focusing more on the friendship between the Rangers and the amazing rivalry between Jayden and Deker. It's those little changes that make a big difference.
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10-05-2021, 08:35 PM | #439 |
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I watched J first, didn't know the title because I was a small-brained back then, thought it was power rangers, found Decade which led me to check out Shinkenger, few years pass, I go back in with Rider again. |
10-05-2021, 09:36 PM | #440 |
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I like the idea that the show dances around a bit of what it means to have a world without any Kamen Riders, but it doesn't really feel like that ever gels into anything. Natsumi angsts over Tsukasa not have a place to belong, which is good, and Narutaki rants about Decade being a corrupting force, which is just more baseless drivel from him at this point. There is a bit of a nice resolution with Natsumi declaring that Tsukasa's home is with the studio, but that plot still feels relatively undercooked.
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Funny enough Chiaki/Shinken Green and Kotoha/Shinken Yellow are the only teenagers with attitude during the show. Chiaki was a senior at high school at the start of the show while they never explained if Kotoha even went to one(home schooling maybe?) cause the focus on Kotoha was more about her substituting for her sickly older sister and her family is involved in crafting with bamboo. The rest of the four were grown-ups with attitude.
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I remember really liking this one! I won't deny the flaws of it not selling Shinkenger well, but... heck, honestly I was just having fun! I liked Takeru and Tsuskasa's little stare-down, I liked the visual of Kuuga helping out a great Sentai team... when I eventually watched Shinkenger I ended up watching these two episodes alongside it where they would have gone and just had a great time. I guess I just fail to not enjoy myself with Decade!
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I really the love the development that Tsukasa/Natsumikan gets in this arc and just to see Natsumi get some focus in general. Even if everybody else is saying Tsukasa is a devil who only brings ruin, Natsumi cares about him and thinks he deserves to have a place where he can belong. She believes that he's a good person. That's enough. As long as they're travelling together, that place can be the Hikari Studio, since that's where everybody will always give him a warm welcome and cookies (Eijirou is an artist!) to show how much they appreciate him. It's sweet that she wants him to feel at home with them.
These episodes manage to hit the drama, the action and the humor in roughly the same amounts, which is incredibly hard to do. There's this sweetly sad story about Tsukasa getting heckled and harrassed, eternally, while Natsumi is furious on his behalf; there's this rollicking adventure of Monster Diend taking on a full Sentai team, a Kuuga, and Decade; and there's this goofy joke of a thread about Kaitou being an unrepentant criminal, even if it makes everyone want to kill Tsukasa. Just, man, everything you'd want in a tokusatsu story! Quote:
These particular episodes are my first exposure to Decade. I watched them mainly for seeing how Genta gets his squid origami back and for something different due to watching Shinkenger (which personally I find to be pretty decent but vastly overrated) at the time which in turn along with the first two Super Hero Taisen movies I watched sometime later got me to really get into the world(s) of Kamen Rider for the first time and had been slowly but surely getting into the franchise.
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