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08-04-2019, 09:41 AM | #1291 |
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Then... Groob. Why wasn't this one a suit? The design is great, all the Minato siblings joining together is genius, but it being all CG ruined it. Don’t get me wrong, the short chase sequence with Tregear was great, but after that the effects were just terrible. It looked awful when they had Groob interact with real life objects.
I think Tsupro wanted to experiment and test some new CG technology they had and given how good the CG integration in Taiga has been, I think that experiment was well worth it. That info was only given in the R/B Cho Zenshu book. Last edited by Byg42; 08-05-2019 at 03:57 AM.. |
08-04-2019, 01:32 PM | #1292 |
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Idk about you guys but Groob looked like a downgrade of Ruebe honestly. Like he was based more on Rosso and Blu's base design than what's supposed to be an evolution of Ruebe.
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08-04-2019, 04:23 PM | #1293 |
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What happened with Jean-Nine in Ginga?
During the days of the Ultimate Force Zero, he was the upstart! As far as his appearances in Ginga: He was referred to as "Jean-Killer" before regaining his original name, never spoke, no mention made of Zero or Jean-Bot, and he actually transformed with an original sequence! Afterwards, he left and didn't return for Ginga S even though his partner in Ginga did! |
08-04-2019, 09:37 PM | #1294 |
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What happened with Jean-Nine in Ginga?
During the days of the Ultimate Force Zero, he was the upstart! As far as his appearances in Ginga: He was referred to as "Jean-Killer" before regaining his original name, never spoke, no mention made of Zero or Jean-Bot, and he actually transformed with an original sequence! Afterwards, he left and didn't return for Ginga S even though his partner in Ginga did!
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08-05-2019, 12:20 AM | #1295 |
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It would've been a strong message for young female viewers (as well as being a solid end to Asahi's character arc) if we got to see Ultrawoman Grigio show off her powers a little with some fighting chops, before she went straight to fusing into Groob. Maybe the writers thought Grigio being all cutesy was in-line with Asahi's character? And yeah, Groob's CG was really hit or miss. Although I did think that final sequence where he does the handshake with Geed was pretty impressive CG work. I had to blink to make sure it wasn't a suit. Tregear was definitely left-field, but he was so charming I gave him a pass. Even a pointless Tregear is far more entertaining than the other NG movie villains like Gilbaris or Murunau, in my opinion. |
08-05-2019, 01:38 PM | #1296 |
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Taiga Episode 5... damn. Is it possible to be so blown away by a single episode that I cannot even put into words how much I enjoyed it? Because it just happened to me. Taiga is going places, like "Favorite Toku of all time"-places. I cannot fathom how good this show is. It's almost insane to think that with shows like Orb and Geed under their belt Tsuburaya continues to rise up in quality. They aren’t even close to being finished yet, they barely started, and I love it.
Also, the voice drama episode... holy shit, Titus is related to Belial? Like, his suit colors made me think that at first because it's obvious who they belong to, but they're actually confirming it? Wow. I assume he's a cloning experiment on the road to creating the perfect specimen, Geed? It drives me nuts that a voice drama of all things can be this interesting. Tsuburaya, you absolute madmen, I love you. Quote:
It would've been a strong message for young female viewers (as well as being a solid end to Asahi's character arc) if we got to see Ultrawoman Grigio show off her powers a little with some fighting chops, before she went straight to fusing into Groob. Maybe the writers thought Grigio being all cutesy was in-line with Asahi's character?
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He was entertaining as hell; I just wished they fleshed him out a bit more. Not mentioning the Reugosite-thing bothered me so much. In fact, I think they could've cut a bit more of the gamer-kid stuff to focus on Tregear. On the other hand, the scenes with him and Katsumi were so good. By the way, Tekken 7 appeared in three different Toku shows now, that could actually be a record of sorts. Last edited by Kiwami; 08-05-2019 at 01:40 PM.. |
08-05-2019, 04:11 PM | #1297 |
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The new Taiga was solid, it continues the series' theme of exploring alien-human relationships. I'm still impressed by how sobering the show's tone is as well; most of the episodes so far don't really have what I would call happy endings.
The SFX and VFX departments also continue to blow my mind. The action scenes are always a joy to watch, and I loved the detail on the Ferris wheel, which looked meticulously constructed and well-made (before, y'know, Titas ran into it). I was also really impressed by the VFX work for Alien Seger's force-field. The only thing I'll say is that I'm hoping we get a battle that takes place outside the city soon. I love the miniature city set, and of course we're only a mere five episodes in, but I'm excited to see Taiga fight in say, a forest or in snow. Maybe we'll get a water battlefield when Takkong-sama makes his grand reintroduction! Anyway, the voice drama episode was great too, I continue to love the Tri-Squad's dynamic, and Titas' uncomfortably specific description of his homeboy's muscles was unintentional comedy gold. I feel like Titas is just a gymbro born on a literal Planet Fitness. But it would be nuts if Titas' was related to...y'know, like Kiwami said. Also, another stray thought: it's great that they thought of the voice drama, because the Tri Squad aren't honestly given a lot of screentime yet, at least in the last couple of episodes. |
08-05-2019, 08:31 PM | #1298 |
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So I just wanna briefly get out of the way my thoughts on the latest set of Taiga episodes before moving on to the R/B movie:
- This show is a real bummer. - The audio dramas are mandatory listening at this point. I'm actually looking forward to hearing the conclusion to Titas' story than I am the actual next episode. - Like, seriously, the attention to detail is consistently impressive too. Did you notice the title for this one is written with a filled-in "★" instead of the "☆" that The Ultraman's title usually is? Because I didn't until a YouTube comment helpfully pointed it out for me. This isn't even the first time they've gotten clever with the title. - Also, Titas is best Ultraman. Anyways, the R/B movie. I still think X's movie was the most all around solid of the post-series films we've been getting. Every one since feels a bit too cluttered in spots with how they're written. However, the upside of this is that they've also been getting progressively more in-depth stories, and this was the best one yet. The human drama with Katsumi was exceedingly grounded and relatable in a way you can't get from any Ultra show other than R/B. The core of the story here is very solid, and I like a lot of the individual elements too, but the problem with them, just like in the rest of these movies, is that that's all they are. Singular little moments that never fully connect to the main plot in a satisfying way. Take Riku for example. The scene where him and Asahi have a chat is great, and makes great use of his unique backstory to contrast him against R/B's cast, but beyond a brief callback towards the end, it just doesn't pay off. That's also why Grigio is fairly unsatisfying. It doesn't feel like the culmination of anything because it isn't. Asahi doesn't have her own B-plot or even an arc here, so I think the scene where she transforms playing it up like some huge feminist moment was supremely ill-advised given the nature of the story demands she can't actually do anything too exciting, because there's a million other things happening all competing for attention. So narratively, it's a bit of a mixed bag, but the stuff that works does work well. Although frankly I'm glad my first exposure to Tregear was in Taiga. His central gimmick of toying with people's sense of morality is established here, but he came off more like a discount Khan Digifer from Gridman with how he felt the need to work with some dumb emo kid. The character we're seeing on TV right now somehow seems above that to me. All that being said, it's time for my regularly scheduled disagreement with Kiwami: Quote:
They had a powerful moment with Asahi declaring that her gender won’t hold her back in fighting alongside her brothers, they have an epic transformation scene for Ultrawoman Grigio - and then she's just the cliché, cutesy "I can’t fight all that well and I’m clumsy too, hihihi" token girl hero character.
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Then... Groob. Why wasn't this one a suit? The design is great, all the Minato siblings joining together is genius, but it being all CG ruined it. Don’t get me wrong, the short chase sequence with Tregear was great, but after that the effects were just terrible. It looked awful when they had Groob interact with real life objects.
You can go frame by frame on that handshake and see Geed and Groob's hands touching almost perfectly. The CG was astonishing by the standards of these things. Tell me this doesn't look like a suit: For f***'s sake, they straight up modeled in wrinkles where the material on a real suit would be liable to bunch up! Check out that armpit! Ordinarily, I'd be the first to complain about bad CG, but they seriously knocked this one of the park. If your eyes weren't fooled, than that's that, and I can't argue, but if you can look at that shot of Groob smashing through those buildings and immediately see a big green cylinder going through them instead, I feel a bit sorry for you. That clip I linked to talks all about how how they specifically decided to make Groob all CG to push what they could do with mixing digital and practical effects, and while there's always going to be growing pains, we're already immediately seeing this experiment pay off every week on Taiga. So please consider cutting Groob some slack? If they had decided to use a suit, you wouldn't have half the cool action in that show.
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08-05-2019, 08:37 PM | #1299 |
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Also, the voice drama episode... holy shit, Titus is related to Belial? Like, his suit colors made me think that at first because it's obvious who they belong to, but they're actually confirming it? Wow. I assume he's a cloning experiment on the road to creating the perfect specimen, Geed?
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08-06-2019, 12:28 PM | #1300 |
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No. The action scene with Tregear was good, for everything else there should’ve been a real suit. That's the end of that discussion for me. Part of what fascinates me about Toku is costumes, the design and craftsmanship that goes into making them, completely replacing the suits with digital models annoys me to no end.
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They probably not referring to Belial and are instead referring Hellar, a character from The☆Ultraman who had a similar concept.
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