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06-06-2021, 05:17 AM | #16611 |
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In terms of direction and cinematography, absolutely. In terms of general tone, atmosphere, and characters, though? While they're certainly strong in both shows, they're executed in much different ways, but both are equally enjoyable to me.
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Kamen Rider Gaim watch
The Yggdrasill Saga Episode 12: New Generation of Riders Appear! Written by: Gen Urobuchi, Directed by: Hidenori Ishida Kouta and Micchy are summing up what they've learned for infiltrating the forest, expositing the toku stuff so far to the audience, and mention the Helheim Forest name in-universe, but the new stuff is about how the Armored Riders are Yggdrasill's guinea pig and test subjects, and pointed out that their battles with Zangetsu is also observed as a data collecting. This influences both as characters in different way, Micchy suggests them to not henshin. The Beat Riders also apparently had celebrity status as Kouta is asked for a photograph by 2 fangirls, which is another deliberate work from DJ Sagara that seems benefical at first. Kouta tries to run away, but shortly after they're attacked by Inves, and as Kouta henshins to Gaim to fight them off, Micchy shows he means it for his suggestion as he tries to stop him. Kouta shows his improved fighting skills to kill the Inves without using a finisher. As they argue, the Yggdrasill troopers come, which are revealed as multiple Kurokages, thought as a mass production from the Armored Rider data by Micchy, and them noticing that they aren't concerned with the people that are attacked, more concerned with clearing the evidences. Mai comes across Kaito again, who is at the place Takatsukasa Shrine once stood, reminiscing it as everything changed when Yggdrasill attacked. It's also revealed here that Mai and Kaito are actually childhood friends, as Mai introduces her full name (disproportionate length between the given name and surname), meaning she's the shrine maiden, revealing her interest of dancing coming from a priestess dance to the tree, and fits the meaning of her surname as well (inspired by Takatsukasa clan but written differently), where "Taka" means high or grand, and "Tsukasa" means someone who oversees religious rituals, and combined it makes "high priestess". Kaito and Mai's clash between their similarities continue, this time about the past, as Kaito is more of a cynic that remembers the negative part in the past, how he lost what he treasured there. Mai is more of an idealist that remembers the positive part in the past, the happiness that happened at the shrine. Kaito thinks of the past as hollow except to fuel his hatred; his vendetta to Yggdrasill, while Mai treasures those memories as important, using the good times that happened in the past as the basis for what she wants to do to others. Particularly that Mai thinks the good times in the past can be returned by doing the same in different place, while Kaito has no traces of his past in his goal for gaining power, thinking that anything from the past is completely done. Mai's motivation seems to be a positive implementation of nostalgia filter, though I wonder how would she react to those that are already happy exactly because of the Yggdrasill's changes, as she seems to take into account for those who are unhappy due to urban area (trying to bring shrine feel to the populated city), and her motivation is purely based on her experience. Kaito mocks her ideals..though likely in tsundere way before leaving. Alternative Mai finally appears in front of Mai, who straightforwardly asks if she is the same as her. The answer isn't given yet, but Alternative Mai gives similar warning as she did to the other Riders, suggesting Mai to live a different path, leaving the city including Kouta and Kaito (directly mentioning their names, likely hinting her omniscience), albeit to her, she emphasizes the different choice part more compared to the inevitable path that she focuses more when reminding the other Riders. But as usual, her warning is done by cryptic way despite seemingly to know what's going on, only creating more questions instead of being followed through, before Alternative Mai vanishes again, visualized by Mai running on the puddle with Alternative Mai's reflection, scattering the water along with the reflection. At Drupers, Kouta and Micchy had a discussion again about what happened, where it shows their opposites too, that Kouta is someone who is open and honest, suggesting to go public about the Yggdrasill info, while Micchy is someone who is secretive and believes that it's better for people to not know the truth, as he objects to Kouta's idea that it'll make the other Riders know that they're tricked into their game to aid those 2 infiltrating Yggdrasill. Micchy being secretive is also shown by him dragging Kouta around when he notices Iyo nearby. Kouta nonchalantly offers to apologize to them, but also notes that it's important for them to know the true nature of the Inves Game as well and that they're used as guinea pigs. The following conversations actually reveals of how Micchy's dark traits have worsened over time, that he even shows it around Kouta, displaying his forceful and control freak nature towards him, stating that it's their "fundamental rule" to not tell anyone about the secrets, and that he reveals his selfish side as well, that he argues as Yggdrasill is erasing evidences, they may do the same to those who know the truth, but Micchy's agenda in talking about this is to prevent his team only, particularly Mai, being in danger due to that. Micchy's suggestion for them to not use their Sengoku Drivers also shows his apathy towards the innocent being attacked by the Inves, claiming that they want to prevent Yggdrasill for getting more advantage by giving them more data, but it's likely his manipulative side to sway others into agreeing with him, presenting himself as thinking in the long-term (and he's already known as the smart one in the team), but has selfish agenda, almost succeeded into making Kouta submit to him. While smart, it seems that Micchy isn't savvy enough to realize what Kamen Riders are about... they're exactly about using powers from evil to do good! Hase (using this to refer him for now as he's usually refered as that) challenges Kaito into an Inves game, but tragedy befalls him as he found out that he cannot henshin anymore, as his Sengoku Driver has been damaged by Zangetsu earlier. As the challenge is already commenced, Hase is left with no choice but to use regular Inves, who Baron just nonchalantly tanks and then swatted it away with single slash. Hase's loss goes even worse from that, not only losing his Rider form, but he also loses his Lockseed, his stage, and Jonouchi, as he reveals their friendship is only one-sided for Hase, and Jonouchi only maintains frienship with him to benefit him, planning to betray him too when the time comes like they did against Baron (it was likely chiefly Jonouchi's idea, as Hase was enjoying the benefits from the alliance), and as Hase is no longer a Rider, he ditches him, looking for others to use as doormat, which is his idea of alliance in general. Moreover, the other members of Raid Wild also desert him, leaving him exactly with nothing. Jonouchi begs for Oren's help, who is revealed to use Zangetsu as benchmark to create his cakes, to help him become a real man (ironically to a man wearing eyelashes, nail polish, and mascara, though Jonouchi himself is effeminate) to beat Gaim and Baron, and as Jonouchi's zodiac is Virgo, he agrees to whip him into shape albeit he didn't look really reliable, but as he's primarily a pâtissier, he instead teaches Jonouchi to bake cakes. While strolling, Kouta asks Micchy if he regrets becoming Armored Rider, and he confirms his opinion doesn't change about how he doesn't regret being given something that makes him able to fight his own battles. Kouta hates himself for being played into Yggdrasill, and Kouta seems to submit to Micchy over this, admitting he's the smart one and relies on him for suggestions on fighting back to Yggdrasill. In the opposite vein of how Kouta learns that power comes with responsibility, Micchy not only suggests them to stop using the Driver, but also throw it away, swaying Kouta with the "benefits" that he wouldn't have to worry about keeping secrets or worrying Mai, which basically means Micchy eggs for Kouta to run away from his responsibility. This bits of Rider shows that while on the surface, both Gaim and Ryugen kills monsters and thus would seem similar at first glance that they save people from monsters, this shows that their insides can be drastically different, like how Micchy tries to instill his belief of keeping secrets and run away from responsibility, but Kouta is someone different than him, as while he also cares for Mai as a close friend, doesn't mean that he'll compromise even the strangers that are under danger, which is shown shortly that Micchy doesn't fully make Kouta submit, as there's innocents being attacked by multiple Inves, where Kouta rushes in to save them, while Micchy restrains him to keep him going with his plan. Kouta points out that the Riders are the only one that can save people from monsters, and not all Inves attacks are related to Yggdrasill like this one. Other than the beginning scene, Kouta shows his improved fighting further by going toe-to-toe with 3 Advanced Inves at once, Kamakiri, Shika, and Komori (the flying one), without any power up here or using Suika Arms, after destroying some fodders, killing the former 2 with good usage of AoE attack as the attack hits both of them in different sides at once, and then revealing Gaim's own Rider Kick, the Burai Kick, a diving kick through slices of oranges, which he uses to finish off Komori. Micchy only stands watching the fight, albeit he's almost tempted to help Gaim fight, and after the fight ended, Micchy doesn't have a happy look on his face, seemingly indicating a wedge that happens between those 2. As per the episode title, Takatora tests out the new generation of Riders, using Genesis Driver, which turns him into Zangetsu Shin, Melon Energy Arms, equipped with Sonic Arrow, a long-ranged weapon. Fighting a horde of Kurokage Troopers, he's able to use Sonic Arrow as both melee and ranged weapon, each shots which feels like a heavy attack to me, even if it's a standard attack, and he's even able to attack every Kurokage troopers at once by shooting an arrow that forms a mango projection that rains down bows on them. Takatora and Ryoma had a discussion about the data gathered, and claims that the Inves Game's purpose is over, heading to give them a lesson of reality..
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Kamen Rider Gaim watch
The Yggdrasill Saga Episode 13: Gaim and Baron, Tag of Friendship! Written by: Gen Urobuchi, Directed by: Hidenori Ishida The Inves attacks has revealed to cause an unknown infection in form of the plants from Helheim sprouting from their wounds and suspecting the cause coming from the Inves Game played by Beat Riders, as Akira told Kouta to watch on TV. Kouta seems unhappy for the potential blame to Beat Riders and heads out home, with Akira trying to stop them. At first I thought the next scene was going to be about Akira chewing out Kouta for Beat Riders activities again (Kouta also already revealed his Gaim form to her), but actually it's to get him and Mai checked out at the hospital as they potentially have touched the monsters. The Yggdrasill members talk about that situation, remarking that the crack appearence is 12 times compared to the last year, but not resorting to evacuation as it'll likely cause panic. I forgot to said this before, but Sid is pretty much a Yggdrasill agent, aiding them for him dealing the Sengoku Drivers. Other than him, DJ Sagara is a worker in Yggdrasill as well, to promote the hell out of Beat Riders, and it's the first step of Yggdrasill's plans, but it's completed now and they would move towards other projects. While Sid considers kids as inferior towards the adults, DJ Sagara reminds him to not get ahead as the kids still get the Sengoku Drivers. Takatora visits Drupers, and speaks to Oren, who apparently doesn't know yet that Zangetsu's human identity is him, only feeling honored of Takatora's praise, but likely will as Takatora likely wants to hire Oren in Yggdrasill. The Beat Rider being over is proven when a desperate Hase visits Drupers, and find out that Sid is no longer there, showing the cluelessness of the other Beat Riders except for Kouta and Micchy. As a piece of advice and likely doubles as a promotion to his place, Bando offers vitamins to Hase, who just storms off as there are no means to gain power visiting there anymore, but despite that Iyo thanks him for coming fo Drupers. Hase is revealed to have symptoms of PTSD as well, hallucinating the Inves, Zangetsu, and Bravo all around him. And this also shows, that while giving powers or such to someone may be problematic, the solution to deal with them isn't necessarily taking that away from them all of a sudden. As while the power can potentially corrupt someone, they also become physiologically dependent on their substance of choice and utterly reliant on it to function, and thus if they're deprived of it, it'll cause other problems instead like unpleasant withdrawal symptoms when trying to stop using something they're dependent of. This part of story has an analogy of drug withdrawal symptoms, the symptoms that happen when someone suddenly stops using drugs of their choice, and Sid himself is a personification of a drug dealer, who looks and acts like that, pushes kids into addiction and isn't above sacrificing profits for escalating the Inves Game. As Kouta, Mai, and Micchy heads to a hospital for testing, they got hounded by angry crowds who blame them for the Inves attacks. As Team Baron dances on formerly Raid Wild's stage, the audience is also much emptier than usual, and like Team Gaim, there are people who approaches them and blames them for the Inves attacks. In face of panic, people are also being irrational as well to force them to leave the city, unaware that Beat Riders doing that won't keep them safe from the Inves. Kaito, as someone who holds power above morality, henshins into Baron and sics 3 Inves on the civilians, and mocks them as cowards when they run away, holding on his beliefs where the weak deserve contempt. Oren approaches Baron and henshins to Bravo, fleshing out more as the likely reason he attacks the Beat Riders is that, like the citizens, he seems to think that Beat Riders are the one behind the Inves attacks, and thus he "plays hero" and jumps in to fight Baron to keep the pest away. As Bravo injures Peco with collateral damage, Baron faces a dilemma to keep fighting him out of pride and helping out his teammate, of which he choses the latter. While the citizens can be annoying to unreasonably blame and whine, doesn't mean they deserve to be murked (see Gaim on ep. 11), this is probably Kaito's lowest moment so far in the series, a reminder that though he shows some soft spots to certain people, like Mai before, his team here, and Kouta later, people whom he doesn't have soft spots would still receive nasty treatment from him. Oren, as usual, thrives on the newfound attention he receives as the citizens hail him as a hero who saves them from the Beat Riders (Kaito's action did worsen the unjust hate on Beat Riders though, showing ruthlessness really had disadvantages, contrary to popular belief that ruthless ones would get ahead), though while Oren is being an attention whore like usual, this paints Oren as someone who does have well-intention to fight off what he thinks as bad, but he does have his ignorance and executes it in a really misguided way, showing that intention isn't enough to make you good overall. He further continues his crusade against Beat Riders by broadcasting his intentions on camera, of which Mai, apparently not listening, fangirls to see this as an opportunity to learn baking at Charmant instead (at least it's not in form of perpetuating Bravo's behavior..). Micchy laments about the way to clear their name as everything about Inves is blamed upon them, realizing the actual reason of DJ Sagara heavily promoting the Beat Riders, where as shown before, Beat Riders had some celebrity status. It's all a ruse to make people easily turn on them when they feel the Beat Riders are unfavorable, namely being "responsible" for the Inves attacks. It's a plan to keep Yggdrasill's reputation clean as the Beat Riders are the scapegoats for the Inves attacks and the citizens are focused on blaming them, and DJ Sagara for now succeeded in doing that, backing up the compliments from Ryoma to him. Bravo attacks Kouta who attempts to fight off an Inves that is injuring workers, despite knowing they'll still blame the Beat Riders. This resulted in the Inves getting away, and Kouta nicely points out that a hero should defend the city (while also blocking Bravo's sword in human form barehanded!!). Bravo however is only concerned to what he's tasked in the contract, likely becoming a member of Yggdrasill since then, to only capture the Beat Riders. Kouta rightly calls out Bravo as not a hero at all, that while he's not doing what he's doing out of malice, his ignorance really only bring more harm than good, as he henshins into Gaim. Kaito arrives at the scene to settle the score with Baron, henshins into Baron, and while he doesn't like those who gets in his way for fighting Bravo, he seems to accept the help from Gaim fighting off a common enemy, and they got upper hand to Bravo. There's a nice attack from Bravo who throws his Duri Noko and spread a large amount of shrapnel over a large area, highlighting the spiky skin of a durian. It's revealed that any Armored Riders can use any Lockseeds as Gaim uses Banana Arms handed to him by Baron. They further continue to beat down Bravo, including a (non-finisher) double Rider Kick, who at the end has to retreat for his mousse. Kouta focuses on searching the Inves that escaped when Bravo interferes in his fight, while Kaito runs after him to get back the Banana Lockseed that Kouta forgot to return. On their way they encounter Zangetsu, who has changed into Zangetsu Shin, and confirming that Oren worked for them that he views as useless (unlike your fear to him as trained former soldier?). They're also in an area that is infested with Inves plants, and the runaway Inves is actually there, consuming a Helheim fruit to mutate into Azure Dragon Inves. Zangetsu Shin shows off his strength by fighting that Inves off and finishing it with Sonic Volley, a finisher arrow with a hurricane surrounding it to cut off the enemy to pieces, likely highlighting many cuts that happen to a fruit but implemented to the monster. Unfortunately, Hase, who is also watching the Inves' mutation and the ensuing fight, gets an idea to get his power back by also eating the Helheim fruit, revealing that those who eat Helheim fruits will mutate into an Inves, and a horrific implication to the audience that all of the other Inves are like Hase as well, including the construction worker before that is implied to be attacked by Komori Invees, where Komori Inves may be actually that exact worker who mutates after eating a Helheim Fruit. Kouta however seems to think that Hase is a rare human Inves...
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06-08-2021, 11:10 AM | #16614 |
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I'm considering checking out some of the various Kamen Rider shows at some point after finishing up a few more series of Super Sentai. Does anybody here have any recommendations?
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06-08-2021, 11:18 AM | #16615 |
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Den-O, OOO and Build are good starters, IMO
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Depends on what you're looking for; W, Den-O and OOO are all really good general recommendations for Heisei
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Kamen Rider Gaim watch
The Yggdrasill Saga Episode 14: The Secret of Helheim's Fruits Written by: Gen Urobuchi, Directed by: Satoshi Morota Things really take a drastic turn here with the upsettling revelation to the cast regarding the tokusatsu stuff and the first human casualty of the series. As Zangetsu tries to shoot Bixie Inves/Hase down down, Gaim stops his attack, as it's the first time he sees a human becoming an Inves, he opts to spare him and likely think of other solutions to deal with him, where Zangetsu, a ruthless realist, would just coldly shoot him down as he's no longer human and has turned into a violent monster. For this case though, Zangetsu clearly knows more about Helheim stuff regarding the reveal later, while Gaim is a newcomer by comparison, albeit it's still ok and heroic for Gaim to try solving this with a non-violent solution, likely also as a potential thing to learn from even the more experienced ones (if they have moral, that is) to take an example for, potentially proving Zangetsu's cynic view wrong. Baron shows another one of his soft spot to Gaim to hold off Zangetsu and let Gaim go, as he thinks he owes Gaim one. Other than fighting off monsters like before, gaining power like Kouta did with Gaim also allows him to be safe when trying to peacefully talk down a monster, the one Gaim thinks the only human turning into Inves so far. He uses his Rider form to hold down Hase, but doesn't intend to hurt him. Though Gaim still to opts to return into Kouta, choosing the more dangerous method to leave himself exposed with human flesh, albeit Kouta is someone who can fend off the monsters so it's not fully deadly to him. He likely does that as Gaim is an intimidating monster-slaying warrior, compared to his human form who looks more harmless, to try bringing back Hase's senses better. This part then plays in a hope spot variation as Hase did revert to his human form, and as Kouta's solution is to take him into hospital (like those that are infected), Kouta didn't actually succeeded into bringing back Hase, as his human form still retains the claw and red glowing eye. As Zangetsu already beat down previous Armored Riders, it's expected that Zangetsu Shin would gain upper hand against Baron, still in Banana Arms. Baron won't back down however, but Zangetsu explains about the truth that the Sengoku Drivers are only prototypes and won't stand a chance against Genesis Driver. This shows further as both Baron and Zangetsu Shin uses their finishers, but to further show off Zangetsu Shin's power, the audience is likely expected a finisher clash, but Zangetsu Shin nullifies Baron's Banana Squash with a simple slash from his weapon, then Zangetsu attacks with his actual finisher to incapacitate Baron, turning him back to Kaito. Zangetsu revels in Yggdrasill's power, as Kaito gets captured by the faction he burningly hates, likely realizing about the ties for Riders and Yggdrasill. At Kureshima home, as Takatora goes home by driving himself, Micchy, after gaining some knowledge of the Yggdrasill, gives many question and statement to Takatora, but denies all of those questions to make Micchy focus on his studies alone. Team Gaim laments as people start blaming them for the Inves attack, apparently the Beat Riders Hotline website is still active even as DJ Sagara stops handling Inves Gama, filled with hate comments to the Beat Riders. Mai reminds that they should work towards silencing the blame towards them. As Kouta comes, another problem rises for them as Kouta reports that Micchy didn't answer his phone and that he needs to find Hase, without telling the full detail, and it causes problem as Team Gaim is being helpful to help him look for Hase, but obviously as Hase has turned into an Inves, Kouta forbids others going out with him, only giving a vague warning of him being 'dangerous', which only raises more questions. I don't know, here Kouta is being secretive like Micchy despite his vow to spread the truth before, as Mai pointed out that there's something fishy between both Kouta and Micchy. Ironically, despite Kouta preventing other members helping him, Rat and Rica are the ones that come across Hase first at Drupers, who, like the previous Inves, tries Bando's fruit, only to be enraged of it not being Helheim fruit and goes on a rampage with Iyo brandishing a broom in the background, hinting her combat prowess, critically injuring Rat who was shielding Rica, which the scene cuts into a hospital carrying him (and Rica away), that Kouta witnesses. Hase's team name Raid Wile has taken a literal meaning to him now, he raided Drupers and ran wild. Kouta channeling Micchy here really had a negative consequence here to make Team Gaim unprepared when they face Hase... keeping secrets do suck. And turns out that Micchy continues his infiltration to Yggdrasill, sneaking to his brother's BMW X1, likely Takatora forgot to lock his car before departing again as his little brother enters the car without his consent. Takatora is greeted by a Yggdrasill receptionist, while Micchy crawls to enter. As Micchy sneaks in, he finds out that Yggdrasill can artificially keep a Helheim Forest crack open (which he takes photo of), overhears Sid talking with Takatora about Genesis Driver, a new reveal to Micchy that Sid is a part of Yggdrasill. As both leave the room to take care of Hase, Micchy enters the room to access the search files, watching a video about Ryoma explaining the effects of Helheim fruit that overwrites the eater's DNA to transform it into different creature, shown in a rat (real one, not the hospitalized boi) eating it and changed into a small Inves. He also checks out a file that records Yuuya's disappearence, and to his horror he finds out that Yuuya is another one who got turned into Byakko Inves by eating a Helheim fruit, realizing that Gaim was the one that killed Yuuya, all while Ryoma only thinks of that fight as a good demonstration of Sengoku Driver potential, without any concern of how it victimized someone. The horrific revelation is also enhanced by how the video had no sound, sound effects, Gaim's voice or even the BGM, giving it a feel of a snuff film, while the scene is also an intercut to Gaim vs Hase below, emphasizing who the Inves really Kouta confronts Hase who is attacking innocents, trying to fight him for real this time as it seems that there's no humanity left in Hase as Bixie Inves, but it pains him to do so as he questions why they had to fight, but apparently shrugs it off after Zangetsu's lesson got through him that no hesitation should be made in battle, which Gaim follows as he realizes as a big part of Yggdrasill, he knew better about this situation, and incapacitates Hase, albeit he's still not able to finish him off, trying to bring him back to his senses with less resistance as Hase is incapacitated. However Zangetsu Shin arrives to shoot Gaim, reverting him back to Kouta. But Zangetsu Shin isn't the only one coming, 3 other New Generation Riders, without the user being revealed here as the camera only shows their belt and a glimpse of their outfit as they henshin into their Rider form. Zangetsu assigns one of them with cherry motif to finish off, as Kouta helplessly begs for him to spare Hase. But Gaim is one of the Rider series that wouldn't hesitate to add up bodycounts, where Hase is the first, and Kouta can only scream in horror and then weep, and I gotta say Gaku Sano really sold the shock and horror at this massacre, along with the directiing in the scene. The cherry Rider de-henshins, revealing him as Sid, with the Rider name Sigurd, and gloats about his actions as "heroic" for "killing a monster that attacked citizens" as Kouta gets captured by Kurokage troopers. This, right here, should be a message to the audience to not rely on the broadest sense of heroism, to define hero as merely "those who save people from monsters", moreover by relying on stakes to measure how heroic the action is ("fighting monster is more dangerous, therefore it's the heroic one") and dismissing other good deeds as trivial. The main aim of heroism is about performing good deed to others, not the beating up baddies part. This scene is a deconstruction about the definition of superhero being those who defeat/kill bad guys, along with labeling them as bad because they're beaten up by heroes, as this scene is used to establish Sid's villainy by clearing the mess he had made with his game, but excuses his acts as heroic as he did what Riders usually do to monsters. It's also a message to not be easily swayed by people's words making excuses of their horrible deeds, and see more of the context in that moment.
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If you want something darker and more grounded, go with Kuuga. If you want something more focused on comedy and wackiness go with Den-O. And if you want something that has a balance of comedy and drama go with W.
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That is probably the majority view admittedly but personally I just thought the first few of Den-O were OK and then I watched episode 1 of Kabuto and I was hooked!
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06-09-2021, 08:31 AM | #16620 |
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Depends on what your taste of the show is, firstly which type of show that you click on with? Though generally the good starter for KR are the basic ones like Kuuga (though it's more cop drama and grounded), W, or OOO. I think iirc people shouldn't start with series with multiple Riders fighting like Ryuki or Gaim as those can be drastically different from usual KR.
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