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01-03-2021, 10:56 PM | #1141 |
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I thought the Jackun-to-Domamanoki's arm vine hanging out was supposed to be a nod to the serpent?
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01-04-2021, 02:07 AM | #1142 |
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It's honestly hard to say what would happen, because the WRBs are just really of weird in terms of gimmick items. Based what we can infer from the show so far:
Personally speaking, I feel like they (Toei) could've mitigated the issue by imposing Saber's vertical OOOs design gimmick on all the suits in the begining. Like, pretend Buster, Slash, and Kenzan all initially had suits designed like Calibur. Where despite only using one book, he still has Right, Middle, and Left sections on his suit even though he's never gonna use them: And then they could've bust out the actual suits we got for Kenzan, Buster, and Slash as upgrades like when Calibur obtains Ja-Ou Dragon. That way, they could establish this idea that all the power up books make the entire suit design based on one book. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But that huge tangent aside, yes the vine growing out of the Jackkun arm would essentially be a nod to how Genbu has a Serpent for a tail. But if the toy designers wanted to get super literal and actually give Buster another Divine Beast WRB... I suppose, maybe the Jörmungandr/The Midgard Serpent? It's a creature form Norse mythology that was so enormous that it famously could wrap around the entire earth and bite it's tail. |
01-04-2021, 03:21 AM | #1143 |
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It's honestly hard to say what would happen, because the WRBs are just really of weird in terms of gimmick items. Based what we can infer from the show so far:
Personally speaking, I feel like they (Toei) could've mitigated the issue by imposing Saber's vertical OOOs design gimmick on all the suits in the begining. Like, pretend Buster, Slash, and Kenzan all initially had suits designed like Calibur. Where despite only using one book, he still has Right, Middle, and Left sections on his suit even though he's never gonna use them: And then they could've bust out the actual suits we got for Kenzan, Buster, and Slash as upgrades like when Calibur obtains Ja-Ou Dragon. That way, they could establish this idea that all the power up books make the entire suit design based on one book. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But that huge tangent aside, yes the vine growing out of the Jackkun arm would essentially be a nod to how Genbu has a Serpent for a tail. But if the toy designers wanted to get super literal and actually give Buster another Divine Beast WRB... I suppose, maybe the Jörmungandr/The Midgard Serpent? It's a creature form Norse mythology that was so enormous that it famously could wrap around the entire earth and bite it's tail. Although I don't really see there being introduced anymore Wonder Combos introduced, perhaps unless they release some SworDriver repaint/remold with three slots. But who knows, maybe there will be a Wonder Combo for the three other Riders. I'd totally be down for a WRB based on the Midgard Serpent. My goal for Saber was to collect Kento's stuff (Which was easy) and anything relating to my home country, and a book like that is right up my alley. |
01-04-2021, 06:15 AM | #1144 |
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I'd bet that Kenzan, Buster, and Slash will get new upgrades in the form of an adapter; something like the Gashat Gear Dual Beta from Ex-Aid. Maybe a bigass Wonder Ride Book that cycles through 3 stories.
I don't see how else they could really pull it off. There's no way any of them are replacing their Seiken, and I honestly cannot see them releasing 3 separate transformation trinkets, though that isn't entirely out of the question at all. My big question is how the RKF would work, if they go that route. Either way, I'm really excited for whatever those 3 get, because I know they have to be good. The one hope I have is that they keep the majority of their suits(like Jaoh Dragon did). Kenzan, Slash, and Buster's designs are WAY too incredible to be completely overhauled. Surely, they knew this when they had Calibur upgrade from Jaaku Dragon to Jaoh Dragon. I hope this will be a pattern not just for Saber, but for future suits and designs in general. I really do think it was a genius move by them. Last edited by Chasing; 01-04-2021 at 06:20 AM.. |
01-04-2021, 12:25 PM | #1145 |
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Yeah Kenzan, Buster, and Slash Seikens all have extra space around the Wonder Ride Book slot.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if they didn't get upgrades. Especially Buster. He's an older member thats been with Logos for a long time. It would be weird to suddenly get a new form after all this time. And Slash is like supposed to be retired or something.
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01-04-2021, 03:28 PM | #1146 |
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01-04-2021, 08:23 PM | #1147 |
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Yeah Kenzan, Buster, and Slash Seikens all have extra space around the Wonder Ride Book slot.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if they didn't get upgrades. Especially Buster. He's an older member thats been with Logos for a long time. It would be weird to suddenly get a new form after all this time. And Slash is like supposed to be retired or something. |
01-05-2021, 02:51 AM | #1148 |
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Hi there! Long time lurker — but I’ve seen a lot of people theorize upgrades for Buster, Kenzan, and Slash based on the extra space around their book slots in the show, and wanted to clear up what seems to be a frequent misunderstanding.
Here are photos of my DX versions of Buster’s Gekidou, Kenzan’s Hayate, and Slash’s Suzune. As you can see, the toy versions don’t have the extra space seen in the show — that’s only done for the show props so the swords can be sized up more.  If I had to guess, if Buster/Kenzan/Slash do get upgrades, I'd imagine we'll either see
But yeah, the three blades don't have much function like the Seiken Swordriver does, so if the three of them ever do get a shared upgrade, I have to imagine the swords will play a secondary part in the deciding factors -- but they might also get designated Gridon/Bravo status and only keep their base suit all show long while Saber/Blades/Espada or Calibur get upgrades -- I'm curious to see what happens with Ikazuchi & Kurayami now that their current wielders are taken off the board, I highly highly doubt that's the last we've seen of either sword. Hope this helps clear things up a bit! Love all the speculating, it's a ton of fun. |
01-05-2021, 09:01 AM | #1149 |
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Welcome to the forums!
It's an interesting case because to my knowledge I don't know of any Kamen Rider weapons so oddly designed in an effort to keep parity with the toys. Im fact I'm a little beguiled that the Plex team at Bandai couldn't find a more elegant design solution. A part of me hopes they use that empty space in the show to justify the design even if the toy equivalent isn't a matching fit. Have we ever had a collectible gimmick itself be out of scale with the show item?
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01-05-2021, 09:48 PM | #1150 |
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In a weird way I think the chain of events was: design weapon -> scale down and translate to toy design -> scale back UP to create accurate show props Hayate especially for example I don't think was originally "meant" to have such a large block for the ridebook, but it was kept to avoid having hugely inaccurate toys. I guess some market research indicated accuracy as a big selling point! That's straying pretty far into speculation on my part though haha Tbh I find the whole toy vs show-prop thing really interesting, especially when (such as in the recent Bravo/Gridon special) the actors end up using toys or toy-sized props in the show itself! |
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