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09-07-2020, 11:03 AM | #941 |
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09-07-2020, 11:04 AM | #942 |
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Fifteen years of Toei and Bandai: The secondary Rider of Kamen Rider Blade is Kamen Rider Garren.
Fifteen years of the fandom:
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09-07-2020, 11:18 AM | #943 |
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not me being bitter that para-dx isn't considered by anyone to be more important than brave and snipe even though he's only ever either our main character's mirror foil or best partner and their teaming up is (at least meant to be) the biggest emotional climax in the whole series : (
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09-07-2020, 11:23 AM | #944 |
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Wonder how much a Garren Rouzer is gonna cost me on Manda these days... And the shipping too...
Anyway, here's Akiba's totally legit and Toei-sanctioned list of Secondary Riders! 1: Kuuga with a gun. 2: Gills. You may say "What about G3", to which I respond that he has a 3 in his name, so he can't be secondary. 3: Scissors 4: Faiz, but like, not Takumi Faiz. One of the other Faiz. 5: Blade because he's the second Rider to be on screen. 6: Post Episode 30 Hibiki. 7: PunchHopper 8: Den-O Rod Form 9: IXA, but only in the 2008 timeline. In 1986, he gets to be the primary. 10: Diend 11: The right half of W 12: Gotou 13: Meteor 14: Magical Girl Beast 15: Zangetsu 16: Mashin Chaser 17: Spectre, except when his actor isn't there that week and Necrom gets to be Secondary. 18: Genm. He even looks like the Player 2 icon you'd let your little sibling play as! 19: It can't be Banjou, because he gets to be Build for like five minutes at one point, so I guess it's Utsumi since he appears next. Mad Rogue stans rise up. 20: Zi-O II. It has 2 in the title, so it must be true. 21: Same logic with 02. 22: I haven't seen Saber yet, so who knows?
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09-07-2020, 11:47 AM | #945 |
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Anyway, the Parado thing... I think the problem is that we don't really have an accepted term for what characters like Parado from Ex-Aid, Yuuji from Faiz, and Chalice from Blade really bring to the narrative, so we try and shoehorn them into pre-existing nomenclature. Like, Parado isn't a sidekick, like a normal secondary, he's a soulmate. Same thing with Hajime/Kenzaki and Yuuji/Takumi. They have a bond that transcends teamwork and heroism. A secondary can be a soulmate (Sento/Banjou), but a soulmate doesn't have to be a secondary, and a secondary doesn't have to be a soulmate.
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09-07-2020, 12:31 PM | #946 |
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09-07-2020, 12:43 PM | #947 |
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Every Rider on Ex-Aid thinks they're the primary and the other three guys are secondaries! That's the joke!
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09-07-2020, 01:46 PM | #948 |
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Personally, I find that the whole debate about who is or isn't the secondary Rider exposes how ultimately pointless such distinctions are. Kamen Rider is a show telling a story, and storytelling is an art form (Even if said show exists primarily to sell toys). And art isn't something where you can just slot everything into clean, obvious formulas. Saying "this character = this role" and "that character = that role" does nothing but diminish the work as a whole by treating it like a problem to be solved, instead of as a work where characters and the purpose they fill in the narrative is often murky and shifting around based on how the story develops.
The term "secondary Rider" is thrown around constantly, but what does it even mean? Riders like Kaixa, Baron, Cross-Z, and Geiz are all considered secondary Riders, but they are vastly different characters. Kaixa is a straight-up villain, Baron regularly walks a very fine line between uneasy ally and antagonist, Cross-Z is a trusted friend and ally, Geiz is a cautious ally with major reservations about his relationship with the main Rider. Technically speaking these guys are all the secondary Rider, but the roles they fill in their respective seasons are so massively different, what's the point of trying to shove them all in the same "secondary Rider" box? It just doesn't mean anything. It just seems pointless to me to try to shoehorn characters into these predetermined, meaningless categories. I would much prefer to critically engage with characters in terms of how their roles and characterizations fit their respective shows than try to figure out who best fits into some arbitrary franchise term that has no relevance to the narrative itself.
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09-07-2020, 01:58 PM | #949 |
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Personally, I find that the whole debate about who is or isn't the secondary Rider exposes how ultimately pointless such distinctions are. Kamen Rider is a show telling a story, and storytelling is an art form (Even if said show exists primarily to sell toys). And art isn't something where you can just slot everything into clean, obvious formulas. Saying "this character = this role" and "that character = that role" does nothing but diminish the work as a whole by treating it like a problem to be solved, instead of as a work where characters and the purpose they fill in the narrative is often murky and shifting around based on how the story develops.
The term "secondary Rider" is thrown around constantly, but what does it even mean? Riders like Kaixa, Baron, Cross-Z, and Geiz are all considered secondary Riders, but they are vastly different characters. Kaixa is a straight-up villain, Baron regularly walks a very fine line between uneasy ally and antagonist, Cross-Z is a trusted friend and ally, Geiz is a cautious ally with major reservations about his relationship with the main Rider. Technically speaking these guys are all the secondary Rider, but the roles they fill in their respective seasons are so massively different, what's the point of trying to shove them all in the same "secondary Rider" box? It just doesn't mean anything. It just seems pointless to me to try to shoehorn characters into these predetermined, meaningless categories. I would much prefer to critically engage with characters in terms of how their roles and characterizations fit their respective shows than try to figure out who best fits into some arbitrary franchise term that has no relevance to the narrative itself. The thing is... I get why a segment of the fandom obsesses over trivial things like this. The second you construct a fictional space for stories to exist, there's going to be people who care about the rules. When you have decades of stories existing in (more or less) the same fictional space, that emphasis on Definitive Answers becomes more and more pronounced. It's... it's like the flipside to the kind of engagement that keeps us all caring about these characters and stories. It's just what some people find valuable about stories and fiction. Do I? No. But I get that they do.
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09-07-2020, 02:13 PM | #950 |
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Sento does his pizzas half and half, somewhat to fit his aesthetic, but also because Banjou is always asking for half of it and Banjou has far too much protein on his half, so better to keep all the meat to one side. Kenzaki has margherita and he likes it that way.
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