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05-02-2020, 08:34 AM | #15851 |
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I have no idea what circles of the internet you've been on to hear all that, but nowhere have I seen anyone declare that there's a "proper, correct" way to view the show. I've certainly seen many fans say that there's a Preferred way to view it, yes, but I haven't seen anyone DEMAND people watch it a particular way. Nor was I trying to.
And forgive me for being blunt here, but if you're trying to insinuate that I was saying there's "only one true way" to see Kuuga, that is not even close to what I was getting at at all, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth, nor the mouth of anyone else. I respect that you don't like the show, please respect that many of us do, and simply want to spread our love of it. Because to me, it really seems like you're making alot of assumptions on the part of other people. |
05-02-2020, 09:39 AM | #15852 |
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Then why does it matter?
How does watching the show with the Grongi translated take away anything from the show? I want people to watch the show. But when fans are putting up disclaimers solely on the basis that a portion of the show is subbed, it can be offputting. You're making a lot of assumptions about my opinions, when my entire argument is to let fans watch Kuuga without putting a huge asterisk of "But it's better to do it without the Grongi subbed" After all, if I didn't like Kuuga as much as you seem to think, why would this matter to me at all?
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05-02-2020, 09:45 AM | #15853 |
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Again, I can't speak for others, but I already explained why, to me, having the option of having the subs on or off would be nice. Even beyond that, having options for things, in general, is good to have. That way, everyone can view the show whatever way they wish, especially if they want to support the official release.
And in terms of disclaimers, all I've seen people say is something along the lines of "Hey guys, if you didn't know, you originally weren't supposed to know what the Grongi were saying, please keep that in mind when viewing." That is in no way saying "Don't support these subs, they're awful!" etc etc. Meanwhile your posts around the boards have been along the lines of "OH MY GOD EVERYONE IS ACTING LIKE IT'S THE WORST THING EVER AAA" As for why it matters to you, boy is that a question, because by all rights it shouldn't, yet you've made it very evident that it does. And I'm not about to make assumptions on your part like what you've done for others. |
05-02-2020, 11:00 AM | #15854 |
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Can we please stop making this a big argument?
It's really as simple as "as Kuuga was originally made, the Grongi language wasn't translated for Japanese viewers, and therefore it doesn't make a lot of sense for it to be translated for English viewers too". That's it. That's all there is, and it's hardly worth getting in a fuss over. If I may be frank for a second, even as someone who thinks the Grongi language shouldn't be translated? I'm still bloody excited that Kuuga is finally available on a wide basis to a larger western audience legally. That feels like a bygone dream that would never come true, and it's just awesome. And whether the Grongi language being translated is a misstep, or they have some legitimate reason for thinking it's a good idea? I would still disagree with Shout on this, but we're still getting Kuuga in the West. That's bloody awesome, and to see this be the only discussion about it? I've gotta be honest, I don't like being confrontational about this sort of thing, but it's bloody annoying. Some of us think the Grongi language being translated is a misstep. Some of us think it's not a big deal. That's it. Y'all have said your piece on it, can we like, move on and not stretch it out over a ton of posts in multiple threads? Can we just, like, I don't know, be able to simultaneously be grateful for something and also respect people with criticisms and different opinions? I'm sorry if this comes across strongly, but goddamn.
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05-02-2020, 11:17 AM | #15855 |
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Don't get me wrong, I am very happy one of my favorite Toku shows finally has an official release. All I've been saying is that having the extra option would be nice. I do plan to support the official release too, and definitely advise others to check it out as well.
Heck, Fish pointing out that the sub quality is actually good made me really happy and even more excited to rewatch the show again. I just hope that, should we ever get a DVD release, the DVDs give us the option, because options are nice to have. |
05-02-2020, 11:46 AM | #15856 |
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If I may continue the topic, as a rewatcher, I'm supposedly getting more value out of Grongi subs, while the Gegeru being a game is revealed a lot sooner than without subs, I don't really see any other major deals, if anything, it helps let personality shine more for the Grongi so that we can distinguish them a lot easier regardless of highly memorable moments. Not to mention newcomers would need to know beforehand that the Grongi are speaking their own fictional language as Yusuke responding to "Kuuga!" for the first time would make you assume he understood what was said and carried off of that, newcomers would think the subs were incomplete and Shout managed to find a good workaround with it as Grongi has a different colour used than Japanese, even when the Grongi change the two. It's also a hard sell to say "Hey you need to watch it again right afterwards so you can understand them without being spoiled".
Also the original TV airing did translate the Grongi if you turned the subtitles on with your remote apparantly
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05-02-2020, 06:13 PM | #15857 |
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I do plan on rewatching Kuuga, since the subs do fix an issue that some fansubs had of not really arranging sentences in a coherent way.
But that's later, since I'm still on Agito. Good god, I love Hikawa and Shouichi as a pair. While most series tends to use the main and secondary's downtime for some comic relief, these two are just golden. Shouichi's innocence with Hikawa's high tense, but soft demeanor just work so well to watch them interact. Honestly, even though the plot still makes no sense, just these two goofballs existing is enough for me to want to continue
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05-03-2020, 01:42 AM | #15858 |
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Fourze 43-44
Okay, I'm over the last big hump in my Fourze rewatch: these last two fucking episodes. So, I don't think it will surprise anybody who's been reading these to be told that I don't really like Yuuki all that much, especially during the back half of the show where she goes completely off the deep end. This arc, then, has always been a rough watch for me. We have Yuuki, we have Evil Fake Yuuki, we have Zodiarts Yuuki, and we have Yuuki's Insane Parents. That is a lot of insufferable obnoxiousness. Maybe if Yuuki's actress had some concept of what subtlety is, it might have worked, but I kinda doubt it. I hate to be too down on this arc because there's some great Gentarou stuff in 44 when he finds his old keepsake that turns Yuuki back to "normal." So much of this is just Yuuki dialed up to 11, though, and I mostly just wanted these episodes to hurry up and end already. Oh, we got the first mention of the Presenters, too. They're not a bad idea, but I think they would have worked better if they'd been seeded sometime before the last five episodes of the show. Most importantly, though, I realized exactly what my big problem is with the Sagittarius design: |
05-03-2020, 05:32 AM | #15859 |
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Blade's second OP rocks. A much better tonal fit than the first one, especially in terms of visual, and immediately went up there among my favorite KR OPs (Build, Black, W).
The actual show has some weak moments with rather overdone tropes in this second half, but nothing too bad. They're kinda tying up the ends here and wrapping up on several character arcs in competent fashion, and I sure am glad Mutsuki's finally past his Possessed Jerk/Volatile Adolescent phase. Not a big fan of how the Tiger Undead was eventually used to get him out of this funk though, especially since she's one of the very few side characters in this show with actual presence; but sidelining/utilizing a strong and interesting female character for the benefit of male character development has been a long and proud KR tradition, after all. Meanwhile, in Hibiki... there's a scene in the episode I just watched, where Akira returned Asumu's handbook and they went for a little walk. They had a pleasant chat for a bit, y'know, showing flash of the good ol' Hibiki vibe before The Switch (I also think these two are really cute together and should've been paired more, but that's neither here or there). Then, ominous swell of music, and a wild New Character appears! New Character uses Talk Idiotic Shit on Asumu and Akira! It's super effective! Like, this whole scene and everything about New Character was so emblematic of New Hibiki's problems: a jarring tonal shift from everything that's been established before, and an extremely annoying tendency to stir up shit from absolutely nowhere. I knew I said in passing that Hibiki would benefit from a bit of increased tension, but cranking up the melodrama, rom-com, and overused tropes to the nth wasn't exactly what I meant, goddamit I take it back, this is horrible. |
05-03-2020, 07:24 AM | #15860 |
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Concerning the Tiger Undead, it's not really a Kamen Rider trope as it is a general action series trope. While comics tried to stop doing it as often thanks to WIR, other mediums still used it in full force, especially during the early 2000's.
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