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01-04-2019, 02:02 AM | #1 |
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Hello, I've originally wanted to post this on the "Does everyone else dislike Zi-O?" thread but figured might as well make a new thread. This thread is dedicated to fix Zi-O's issues and I'd love for others to give their input. As we all know, Zi-O is sadly wasn't that great (especially compared to Build and maybe Ex-Aid) and almost everyone agrees the show is very confusing, thanks to the time travel aspect of the show.
Be warned, this post is long. And it might sound more like a fanfiction, so mods feel free to move it if you think it is. So, the thing that makes the show's time travel is very confusing are the Ridewatches itself, specifically on how it screws up the Rider history. I know they wanted the Legend Riders to lose their powers to be parallel to Gokaiger but they needed to do something different, but what they did isn't that good and outright confusing (take shots whenever I say confusing). First, I need to alter the premise and the cast slightly. We still have Oma Zi-O and that Sogo is destined to become him. BUT, the Time Jackers are instead Oma Zi-O's minions, sent to the year 2018 because that is the year where Kamen Riders are fallen and Zi-O rises. But, opposing Oma Zi-O are of course, Geiz, Tsukuyomi, AND Woz. Each of them has the same goal: to stop Oma Zi-O, but each have different methods. Geiz still wants to kill present day Sogo, while Tsukuyomi wanted to avoid letting Zi-O becoming a Rider, while Woz, he knows Sogo is destined to be a Rider, but at the very least he wants Sogo to be a good king instead, and thus he still provides the Ziku Driver but makes sure Sogo doesn't become Oma Zi-O. With this, we have roughly the same characters while changing them just a little bit. Woz is still with his "waga mao" stuff, but this time he's on the good side. And now, onto the Legend Rider and Ridewatch stuff. I admit, I'm not a fan of erasing the Rider's history and this is what makes the show very confusing to watch. So my take on this, is that Time Jackers steals the Rider powers in 2018 to create Another Riders in that same year. With this, you can have the Riders losing their powers but still retain their development, ala Gokaiger. This is what I wanted from the returning Riders, having shown their growth and mentoring Zi-O and Geiz and while admittedly some of them does this anyway, I would have preferred this route. But how will they do time travel since it's part of the show anyway? Well simple, Another Riders needed to be defeated by the same Rider powers, but since they lost their powers in the present day, the only way is to travel back when they still had their powers, and Zi-O needs to temporarily borrow their powers, creating a Ridewatch. And then, after defeating Another Riders, their Another Watch would be purified into another copy of the Ridewatch, thus giving Zi-O the ability to still use the RideArmors while the Riders of the past retains their powers and history. But the twist is that when Zi-O returns to the present, he finds out that the present day Legend Riders are still powerless, and that is a mystery that they need to solve. Now I have to admit I do like the episodes written by Nobuhiro Mouri (so much I just want to consider him the main writer instead of Kento Shimoyama) and what he did to the Legend Riders such as Eiji becoming a politician. Now in this rewrite, it wouldn't be far fetched to still make Eiji becoming a politician after his show ended (and make him married to Hina and the reason why Hina was in KuroKing's castle was to rescue her husband, and also this is before Another Ending so Kuroto is still alive). Also, during the Gaim arc, there's some differences. Present day God-Kouta has lost his ability to transform into Gaim but still possesses his Man of Beginning powers, and, I'm going to write this very basically, he sends Zi-O to 2013 because Geiz was trapped in 2013's Helheim (and through there Geiz meets Kaito who was training as Baron and Kaito wants to test him before he returns Geiz back to the real world, effectively making them having a mentor-student moments. This is because I found it baffling to see Kaito able to survive Helheim for 5 years with his clothes still in good conditiong lol). But upon returning to present day, Sogo is shocked to find that Fruit Jesus is now back to the normal Kouta, meaning that the mystery that plagues the present day Riders are affecting everything. And that is all. Basically, I want them to have a pretty much same show but with better explanation and not ruining the Riders history confusingly. While this might be as confusing, at the very least I hope it streamlines it up. If you have something to add and questions, please hit me up. Apology for the long write though, hope you all can enjoy it.
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01-04-2019, 02:56 AM | #2 |
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I think it's a bit too early to do this. Zi-O's only starting to get to the point it took for Gaim to supposedly get good
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01-04-2019, 05:44 AM | #3 |
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I agree. Not to say the show should not be taken too seriously, since it's just a giant tribute to the kamen rider series. Of course, when you have a show based on time travels and so many series, several paradoxes are a given, but it seems to me they didn't even put too much attention on that
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01-04-2019, 07:35 AM | #4 |
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You can't go right when writing time travel, there's always a monkey wrench along the way that derails the logic.
But it's true the writers really take it easy in Zi-O and so many things are handwaved that there's a nice breeze when you watch it. It was okay in Den-O because Den-O was first of all a comedy. Is it okay in Zi-O if it's an hommage serie ?
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01-04-2019, 07:38 AM | #5 |
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You can't go right when writing time travel, there's always a monkey wrench along the way that derails the logic.
But it's true the writers really take it easy in Zi-O and so many things are handwaved that there's a nice breeze when you watch it. It was okay in Den-O because Den-O was first of all a comedy. Is it okay in Zi-O if it's an hommage serie ?
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01-04-2019, 09:23 AM | #6 |
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I mean, Den-O and Zi-O basically run on the same time travel tropes of "Don't overthink it", and the ending is the opposite of understandable, but okay.
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01-04-2019, 09:31 AM | #7 |
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I think I need to watch Den-O again, but I remembered not being too confused with the time travel stuff, and was actually felt amazed with it especially during the build up the summer movie where Ryotaro mysteriously vanishes and such.
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01-04-2019, 12:34 PM | #8 |
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Everything in Zi-O is simplicistic, even not considering time travel. I mean...Even the main motif of the main characters, being obsessively a king, is pretty unreasonable. Not to tell that there is no logical reason to not kill him at a younger age, or even prevent his birth,or to be given the decade device
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01-04-2019, 12:48 PM | #9 |
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Yeah, Zi-O's starting to feel like another Gaim-type show where you need to watch the show in its entirety to really understand the whole story.
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01-04-2019, 03:37 PM | #10 |
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