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12-27-2014, 09:05 PM | #51 |
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You know, considering Riders, couldn't we technically count any of the Ace monsters from Blade?
Mild spoiler warning, but Chalice's "Rider" form is just the Mantis Undead wearing a buckle, as he doesn't transform into a Rider, but takes on the appearance of the Undead's card he scans through the Chalice Rouser. I think the show goes just with the fact that Mantis Undead looks like a rider (due to the design) and is Hajimes default battle form. |
12-27-2014, 09:10 PM | #52 |
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Technically, yeah. If any Undead Hajime transforms into is counted as a rider, then even his human form would be a Rider. Or you could say Hajime isn't even a rider, if you only consider those with a man-made belt a rider (which makes Kenzaki lose his rider status at the end of the show).
I think the show goes just with the fact that Mantis Undead looks like a rider (due to the design) and is Hajimes default battle form. |
12-27-2014, 09:13 PM | #53 |
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Kenzaki is a different case, as his Blade form and the Beetle Undead are different.
They don't need a man-made belt (As that'd remove the rider status of Amazon, everyone from Hibiki, Shin, etc), it's just something that came to mind, is all.
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12-27-2014, 09:14 PM | #54 |
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So would that qualify Dragonfly and Wolf as forms for Chalice?
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12-27-2014, 09:15 PM | #55 |
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12-27-2014, 09:17 PM | #56 |
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Also, the comment about the man-made belt was of course only considered in the context of Blade, not taking other riders in account. Though Convoy's point is also valid. The show usually only counts Ace-Forms as Riders- except for Cerberus because that one was completely different. |
12-28-2014, 02:54 AM | #57 |
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You know, considering Riders, couldn't we technically count any of the Ace monsters from Blade?
Mild spoiler warning, but Chalice's "Rider" form is just the Mantis Undead wearing a buckle, as he doesn't transform into a Rider, but takes on the appearance of the Undead's card he scans through the Chalice Rouser. That would be like saying the Voltron team are power rangers cause they wear matching uniforms each with different colors.
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12-28-2014, 02:38 PM | #58 |
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See: Fact - Chalice is a Kamen Rider. Fact - Hajime's (KR Chalice) Rider form is just the Mantis Undead (Ace of Hearts) with the Joker Buckle (There is no further alterations to the Mantis Undead's monster form other than he's wearing a buckle). It leads to my question. Where does the criteria for being a Rider end? Does the Mantis Undead always qualify as a Rider, with or without being scanned by the Joker Undead? Do all Ace Undead qualify as Riders? Or does simply being a Joker Undead mean you're a Rider, regardless of what card you're scanning?
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12-28-2014, 05:11 PM | #59 |
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What's the relation to my question?
See: Fact - Chalice is a Kamen Rider. Fact - Hajime's (KR Chalice) Rider form is just the Mantis Undead (Ace of Hearts) with the Joker Buckle (There is no further alterations to the Mantis Undead's monster form other than he's wearing a buckle). It leads to my question. Where does the criteria for being a Rider end? Does the Mantis Undead always qualify as a Rider, with or without being scanned by the Joker Undead? Do all Ace Undead qualify as Riders? Or does simply being a Joker Undead mean you're a Rider, regardless of what card you're scanning? Though the name "Kamen Rider Chalice" isn't used in the show at all, if I remember correctly. So basically, the show never confirms him as a rider. It's confusing. It really is. |
12-28-2014, 05:26 PM | #60 |
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I can't remember whether Chalice is used as a name in series, but I'll accept the Joker explanation.
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