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08-30-2020, 09:58 AM | #21 |
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I always thought the "totally different" message was in direct reference to Aruto becoming Ark-One and that is it. Not really a some grand new direction in endings.
Still a corrupted main rider is nothing new. Did he even kill anyone? Build handled it much better with Hazard.
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08-30-2020, 10:23 AM | #22 |
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I don't really see what is so different about the ending yeah.
The ending is even a reference to kuuga/the first heisei rider to me. Both the main protagonist and main antagonist become basically the same thing and clash 1-on-1. At some point during the fight they revert to their human form and continue to clash (violently for kuuga, by talking in Zero-one). But in the end the protag doesn't succumb to darkness. The only twist is Horobi doesn't stay really evil in the end contrary to Daguva. |
08-30-2020, 10:33 AM | #23 |
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08-30-2020, 11:20 AM | #24 |
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I got a few gripes with this ending.
The first one ties back into how Is somehow stumbled into As's simulation. How? No, seriously, how? The network of the Humagears is down; they shouldn't be connected to each other anymore. And even then, I assume As has some sort of anti-virus software. How can Jin just show up near her? Granted, that's a smaller complaint, but still. Second... Dad Ex Machina. What the fuck was that? No, seriously, what the quirled bollox was that? Aruto can't get out of this one on his own or through his friends, just resurrect his dad to give him a pep talk. This is beyond lazy! It solely exists to force the conclusion the writers came up with. Same with Realizing Hopper. Where the fuck did that even come from? The show itself said Zero-One couldn't be upgraded further, and then Aruto magics up an unneeded powerup... Just... Bullshit! I hate how technology has become magic in this. Aruto letting himself get beat to get rid of the Ark Driver's influence... Yeah, it makes all of Aruto's actions kinda not his own. It takes a lot of responsibility of his shoulders and puts it solely on Ark. Which I just find lazy and defeats the point they were going for. Not sure what I think about Horobie's ending. Honestly... I'd preferred if he actually joined Naki at Aims. Last one... Is's rebuilding... Aruto just gonna replace her? Didn't the same show have a moral not to do that to your dead loved ones? No matter how similar he is gonna try to teach her, she will be someone else. He shouldn't have named her Is. Aruto isn't interested in who she is or who she might become; he is interested in who he can force her into, and that just does not sit well with me. All in all, I really dislike this ending. Shame that Zero-One ended up with such a disappointment of an ending arc for me, after enjoying the Workplace Competition and Hiden manufacturing so much after the first arc was kinda just ok. Hope Saber will be more up my alley. |
08-30-2020, 11:38 AM | #25 |
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Kind of conflicted on this ending. On one hand, I really liked everything with Aruto and Horobi for the first half of the episode. And I give most of that credit to their actors more than anything else. It truly felt like they were just exhausted of all of this conflict, and while both of them wanted to just stop, they kept fighting because they didn't know how else to process their grief. And the way it ends with them finally accepting it and choosing to just move on is something I liked a lot. Up to this point of the episode, it really is something extremely different from past seasons in the way it resolves its final conflict.
After that though, it feels like it's just rushing to give half-baked conclusions to everyone else who's not Aruto or Horobi. Yua's is fine, but Fuwa's and Gai's are strange and it's not quite clear where exactly they go from here. It doesn't really feel like either of them got a real conclusive ending to their characters. I feel like one more episode could have helped with the pacing here and developed this a bit more. As for Izu, I'm not too bothered, but it is kind of weird, and seems like a very unhealthy thing for Aruto to be doing? Kind of flies right in the face of the whole "learning to move on" thing from earlier. But honestly I don't expect this to stick anyway, it's almost inevitable that there will be some movie or special where they come up with some silly plot device to restore her back to her original state with all memories intact. So overall, while I really liked everything with Aruto and Horobi, the rest of it fell kind of flat for me. Zero-One in general is a series that, for me, has been pretty up and down. At its best I thought it was top tier Kamen Rider, but it couldn't maintain that consistently enough. It's a show that I still ultimately have positive feelings towards, and rate as one of the better seasons I've seen, but I can't help thinking about how much potential it had to be more.
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08-30-2020, 12:53 PM | #26 |
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I rewatched the episode as it still doesn't sit well with me. Again, the first 16 minutes? Excellent, I love it. Everything they do after, including the setup for the movie, I could’ve done without.
Here's how I would do this: Azu gets "deleted" by Jin. Like, use the weird thing from W were Philip gets reborn through Wakana's sacrifice for all I care. Have Jin hack her body and reappear in his form. That's possible since HumaGear all have the same base frame regardless of what "gender" they assume, right? That's the "threat" of Azu and her keys being taken care of. I don’t need another evil Rider; make a movie about Gai selling robot dogs instead. Then, Aruto: He quits being Hiden's CEO. As he legally cannot really be blamed for becoming the Ark, he decides to remove himself from society until he truly feels like having defeated the malice within him. I know, also not a unique ending at all, but at least I won’t bring a park bench into the mix If you want to, pull a reference to Kuuga and show him located in a very distant little village where he’s making kids laugh with stupid jokes. Or don’t show him; instead show laughing children imitating him and then pan the camera to his silhouette in the twilight sun or something cliché like that. The rest of the characters are fine as is, although I wish Fuwa would do something more meaningful at the end. Even a scene where he goes off to find a new dream or something. Not just ripping a car door open. Although, I like the joke here. But entirely scrap the reviving Izu part. I don't like it at all. |
08-30-2020, 01:11 PM | #27 |
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and with that time to board Fukuda's wild ride yet again hopefully with less executive medling this time
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08-30-2020, 02:06 PM | #28 |
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But I was even more weirded out with regards to Izu. Like, think about it for a second... Aruto lost someone he loved, and he's like... purposefully replacing her with someone that looks and sounds just like her, and choosing to give her the same name? It's not even like this is in respect of the Izu he lost, but he actually implies that with time and teaching her all the quirks the old one had, it will make her the same Izu as before. That's creepy! How is that any different from that one guy who made that humagear look like his dead daughter! |
08-30-2020, 03:26 PM | #29 |
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Aruto letting himself get beat to get rid of the Ark Driver's influence... Yeah, it makes all of Aruto's actions kinda not his own. It takes a lot of responsibility of his shoulders and puts it solely on Ark. Which I just find lazy and defeats the point they were going for.
I didn't take it like that at all. Ark has always been the embodiment of malice, not the cause of it. It's why it's explicitly stated that Ark will continue to exist so long as malice does, not the other way around. I don't think the show was trying to absolve Aruto of any responsibility for his actions. After all, Aruto already decided on what he needed to do before the fight even began, while still in possession of the Ark Driver. Rather, I think the Ark Driver's destruction was a symbolic and physical representation of Aruto's rejection of the malice and grief that led to Ark's creation in the first place. I also think, on another level, that Aruto was showing Horobi how they can overcome Ark (I feel like it was entirely intentional that both Aruto and Horobi were able to beat Ark by allowing the other person to attack them). As for my thoughts on this ending, I kinda love it. And that might be because it kinda seems like a counterargument to Kuuga's. Whereas Godai had to tap into the "Ultimate Darkness" (essentially a metaphor for violence and destruction) in order to defeat N-Daguva-Zeba, and had to find his own peace at the end of his story, Aruto was only able to overcome Ark by rejecting the cycle of violence and hate that led to its creation in the first place. There were definitely a few issues, namely the under-utilization of everyone who wasn't Aruto or Horobi, but again, I feel that was an unfortunate side effect from the pandemic and think we would have seen those characters do a bit more if things weren't sidelined because of COVID-19. I also did feel at first that the creation of the Zero-One driver was a bit asspull-y, but there's also already precedent in this series for gadgets, trinkets and weapons to be produced out of literal thin air, so it doesn't bother me too much.
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08-30-2020, 05:03 PM | #30 |
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Nobody died and the ones who previously were, was brought back to life. So yeah, 'New Era' indeed.
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