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05-12-2013, 12:55 PM | #1 |
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I know lately people have been bashing Saban Brands for this whole saga with former Power Rangers returning for cameos. While I agree that they've completely mishandled this whole process, I think sometimes we forget that there is another party involved in this. Yes, shame on Saban, but it seems like all of the expectations are on them.
So here's my question, is there any expectation on the actors that they make arrangements to show up and be a part of it? Or maybe even contact Saban and express their interest in appearing? The actors who portrayed the former Power Rangers were obviously a huge part of the show's success, and most fans are probably just as much fans of the individual actors as the show itself. Sometimes a corporation being greedy and incompetent can't be helped, but well, as a fan I'd really appreciate some of the actors stepping up where Saban has not. The 20th anniversary of such a significant show doesn't happen very often, so I'd hope that they'd have just as much desire to make it special for the fans. This really seems like a once in a lifetime opportunity, and I know personally if I had been an actor in a former Power Rangers season, I wouldn't want to simply pass it up. Not to bash the former Rangers, because I definitely love and respect them, but while we've done nothing but attack Saban, they've been purely reactive perhaps even a bit whiny. Sometimes it seems like the fans are fighting the battle for them, not that I'm complaining about that, it just seems like they could get on the front line a bit more too. So that's just my thoughts, and a different perspective from what we've been hearing for a while. Does anyone else think that maybe the former Rangers could be trying a little harder to make it work? Maybe they could find some middle ground or compromise that's good for everyone, the fans included. I guess that's what I'm hopeful for, rather than simply letting this failure occur and hanging it on Saban Brands at the end of the day.
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05-12-2013, 01:13 PM | #2 |
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I know lately people have been bashing Saban Brands for this whole saga with former Power Rangers returning for cameos. While I agree that they've completely mishandled this whole process, I think sometimes we forget that there is another party involved in this. Yes, shame on Saban, but it seems like all of the expectations are on them.
So here's my question, is there any expectation on the actors that they make arrangements to show up and be a part of it? Or maybe even contact Saban and express their interest in appearing? The actors who portrayed the former Power Rangers were obviously a huge part of the show's success, and most fans are probably just as much fans of the individual actors as the show itself. Sometimes a corporation being greedy and incompetent can't be helped, but well, as a fan I'd really appreciate some of the actors stepping up where Saban has not. The 20th anniversary of such a significant show doesn't happen very often, so I'd hope that they'd have just as much desire to make it special for the fans. This really seems like a once in a lifetime opportunity, and I know personally if I had been an actor in a former Power Rangers season, I wouldn't want to simply pass it up. Not to bash the former Rangers, because I definitely love and respect them, but while we've done nothing but attack Saban, they've been purely reactive perhaps even a bit whiny. Sometimes it seems like the fans are fighting the battle for them, not that I'm complaining about that, it just seems like they could get on the front line a bit more too. So that's just my thoughts, and a different perspective from what we've been hearing for a while. Does anyone else think that maybe the former Rangers could be trying a little harder to make it work? Maybe they could find some middle ground or compromise that's good for everyone, the fans included. I guess that's what I'm hopeful for, rather than simply letting this failure occur and hanging it on Saban Brands at the end of the day. Why wouldn't we hang it on the former boss? Have you seen the letters that Saban sent out? Not only did he not send them out in a timely manner (ie last minute, see: Valerie Vernon) but they're not even addressed by name, and Saban is trying to put them on a guilt trip because "this is what the fans want and it's up to them to make it happen." (See: Erin Cahill who is devasted she can't go) I'm not going to blame anything on the actors. Some can go. Some have the funds, the ways and the means to do so. Some do not. Some do not have the funds and work a 9-5 to make ends meet. Some have family obligations. Some have lives that require their constant attention. Honestly, I'm really just tired of this attitude too. Yost didn't accept, and one guy called him a jerk for not doing so? Why is he a jerk? Because he was abused and mistreated on the set, besides everything I already mentioned about time, expenses and cost getting there? Yeah, that's a good idea Mr. Yost, go back to all that. I don't blame him one bit. And, let's not forget Saban inviting then uninviting people who geniunely wanted to go (see: Rhett Fisher). I guess that's the actors fault too and they should step up? No, based on all this, this all lies in Saban's hands. While he had two years to prepare for Gokaiger and knowing what it contains, I'll give him a slight benefit of the doubt and say he had one year, because of the contract obligations and buying back from Disney. That's a very long time to make arrangements and not wait until the last minute. Last edited by MnemonicSyntax; 05-12-2013 at 01:16 PM.. |
05-12-2013, 01:15 PM | #3 |
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I'm pretty much in agreement with everything MnemonicSyntax said.
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05-12-2013, 01:16 PM | #4 |
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So being dragged out to New Zealand and paid basically nothing considring Saban isn't paying for their flights or hotels is whiney?
I don't think you realise just how utterly unworth it Saban has made it for the actors. They're literally making no money and flying far, far away from their lives basically for nothing but quick cameos and physical work? That's like flying halfway across the world at your expense to pop into an old friend's house to say hi and move a couch before immediately leaving. |
05-12-2013, 01:18 PM | #5 |
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So being dragged out to New Zealand and paid basically nothing considring Saban isn't paying for their flights or hotels is whiney?
I don't think you realise just how utterly unworth it Saban has made it for the actors. They're literally making no money and flying far, far away from their lives basically for nothing but quick cameos and physical work? That's like flying halfway across the world at your expense to pop into an old friend's house to say hi and move a couch before immediately leaving. |
05-12-2013, 01:20 PM | #6 |
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It was Rhett Fisher's un-invitation that alerted me that this was all on Saban, not the actors.
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05-12-2013, 02:02 PM | #7 |
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This is simply a ridiculous notion though. If my former boss called me to go back to work for him, for a day, and I had to provide transportation, lodging, food, and wasn't getting paid from it, I'd tell him to go fuck himself.
Why wouldn't we hang it on the former boss? Have you seen the letters that Saban sent out? Not only did he not send them out in a timely manner (ie last minute, see: Valerie Vernon) but they're not even addressed by name, and Saban is trying to put them on a guilt trip because "this is what the fans want and it's up to them to make it happen." (See: Erin Cahill who is devasted she can't go) I'm not going to blame anything on the actors. Some can go. Some have the funds, the ways and the means to do so. Some do not. Some do not have the funds and work a 9-5 to make ends meet. Some have family obligations. Some have lives that require their constant attention. Honestly, I'm really just tired of this attitude too. Yost didn't accept, and one guy called him a jerk for not doing so? Why is he a jerk? Because he was abused and mistreated on the set, besides everything I already mentioned about time, expenses and cost getting there? Yeah, that's a good idea Mr. Yost, go back to all that. I don't blame him one bit. And, let's not forget Saban inviting then uninviting people who geniunely wanted to go (see: Rhett Fisher). I guess that's the actors fault too and they should step up? No, based on all this, this all lies in Saban's hands. While he had two years to prepare for Gokaiger and knowing what it contains, I'll give him a slight benefit of the doubt and say he had one year, because of the contract obligations and buying back from Disney. That's a very long time to make arrangements and not wait until the last minute. Heck, people do work and travel across the country at their own expense to attend high school reunions and things like that which nobody outside of the room is going to give a shit about, and you're telling me the stars of a beloved TV show can't? I know not everyone would be able to make it, and it's understandable that some would decline. But when you tell the boss to "go fuck himself" you end up saying that to a lot more people than just the boss. Your coworkers and customers(or in this case, fans) often hear it too. The fact that a Gokaiger adaptation and the 20th anniversary of Power Rangers were coming up would have been just as obvious to everyone else as it was to Saban. If you're a former Power Ranger, how can you not be expecting that call? Not that anybody was obligated to do anything, but when something big like that out there in the future, it's kind of hard not to think about it, and to some extent plan some flexibility. I don't blame the actors, but at the same time I can't see where they've done anything particularly proactive about the situation. As a fan, I just wish somebody would step up rather than having a standoff and then playing the blame game. Like I said, if I were in that situation, I'd really try to make it work rather than just throwing my hands up and saying "all Saban's fault." I'm kind of surprised that I seem to be alone in that sentiment. It's the easiest thing in the world to throw Saban under the bus. They have made a lot of mistakes. But like most conflicts in life, a solution usually has to come from both sides working towards one and reaching out to each other to meet in the middle. Again, not to blame the actors, but it doesn't seem to me like that's happening here, and that's what disappoints me the most.
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05-12-2013, 02:37 PM | #8 |
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This isn't just some average job we're talking about. That's kind of my point. You can't talk about reprising their role as a Power Ranger as if it were being called in to McDonalds to flip burgers for a day. To put it in perspective, if my old boss called me back to participate in the 20th anniversary of a business I played pretty significant part in, I would definitely consider that even if I had to pay my own way, because that would have been a part of my life and I would have been a part of that success. Add to it that that role and that success was on international TV where it (and the person) generated millions of fans, and that the big anniversary would be too, and it seems to me like that would get pretty compelling.
To put it into a better perspective, if my boss called me back to participate in the 20th anniversary of a business, while during my tenure there at said business was extremely terrible and the work conditions sucked, the pay was horrible, and I was mistreated, I'd still tell him to go fuck himself. Why should I be involved with the celebration of something that while climbing that ladder to make happen, I was just a simple rung? And I'm not even saying the actors are saying "go fuck yourself" to Saban, but they're certainly not thrilled. Lastly, though I didn't say going to work at McDonald's, I certainly can use it because the McDonald's employee would get paid more to do it. Quote:
Heck, people do work and travel across the country at their own expense to attend high school reunions and things like that which nobody outside of the room is going to give a shit about, and you're telling me the stars of a beloved TV show can't?
So far, your analogies have been a swing and miss. Quote:
I know not everyone would be able to make it, and it's understandable that some would decline. But when you tell the boss to "go fuck himself" you end up saying that to a lot more people than just the boss. Your coworkers and customers(or in this case, fans) often hear it too.
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The fact that a Gokaiger adaptation and the 20th anniversary of Power Rangers were coming up would have been just as obvious to everyone else as it was to Saban. If you're a former Power Ranger, how can you not be expecting that call? Not that anybody was obligated to do anything, but when something big like that out there in the future, it's kind of hard not to think about it, and to some extent plan some flexibility.
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I don't blame the actors, but at the same time I can't see where they've done anything particularly proactive about the situation. As a fan, I just wish somebody would step up rather than having a standoff and then playing the blame game. Like I said, if I were in that situation, I'd really try to make it work rather than just throwing my hands up and saying "all Saban's fault." I'm kind of surprised that I seem to be alone in that sentiment.
Here's what we know from previous actors stating events that happened while on the show, and none of it is exactly memorable: - Lousy Pay - Unsafe working conditions - Extreme physical conditions - Long hours - Not many breaks Why would you go back to that? Even for a day? Quote:
It's the easiest thing in the world to throw Saban under the bus. They have made a lot of mistakes. But like most conflicts in life, a solution usually has to come from both sides working towards one and reaching out to each other to meet in the middle. Again, not to blame the actors, but it doesn't seem to me like that's happening here, and that's what disappoints me the most.
I'm not trying to be rude here, but when many, many of the actors say that it's not worth it, what do you think that means exactly? EDIT: Just did some quick research on flights to New Zealand. Cheapest flight round trip is 1800, not including luggage, and has two stops with a total travel time (including stops) of 26 hours. There are a few other flights, and they run about 2150ish, again without luggage. And I put DFW (Dallas - Ft. Worth) as the departure location because that's what it was set to when I opened the browser. Last edited by MnemonicSyntax; 05-12-2013 at 02:45 PM.. |
05-12-2013, 03:03 PM | #9 |
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is the my resoning to this i know that i might of said it some where before. but look at Toei and how they made Gokaiger. the simple fact they where able to get alot of the cast back is ether they still work in the same agency they worked with when they were part of a sentai season, this would make it easy for them to get call back to get them if they want to back on the show. just like power rangers not every member of the core team actually liked there time on the show so some might say no to it but also Toei is a company that not just do kid show or dramas or adult show if they do adult show but also anime so they have a huge amount of money more i think then saban brands has and able to pay more just for a few minuet cameos.
for the President & COO: Adam Chesnoff of Saban Capital Group they did not think properly and mentioned that they wanted to please the fans as well as introducing old characters to the kids but this was a bit of an shot string and they gave alot of people to shot of a notice of an email that some end up not be able to make it due to they own there own company and they need to stay an run it some have to look after there kids due to the got to late after the planed every thing to do with there kids. and the fact that some where mistreat or did not like how things where done on the show would not want to come back. so in fairness Saban Capital Group not pleasing the fans on that side and just keeping the aspects of it being a kids in there heads even when they promised it would please the fans as well but ;it not. so it due course it is all down on Saban Capital Group and how they are doing things here and not doing it how it should be.
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