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12-09-2020, 09:02 PM | #16301 |
Some guy. I'm alright.
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In terms of the Brakawani movie, not only was the medal count one that never existed in the show proper, but uh, let's just say that if it does infact take place where Toei says it does, then a couple of the characters in that movie shouldn't even be there.
And that's not even getting into the Brakawani medals themselves being a giant loose plot thread.
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12-09-2020, 10:24 PM | #16302 |
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In terms of the Brakawani movie, not only was the medal count one that never existed in the show proper, but uh, let's just say that if it does infact take place where Toei says it does, then a couple of the characters in that movie shouldn't even be there.
And that's not even getting into the Brakawani medals themselves being a giant loose plot thread. |
12-09-2020, 10:26 PM | #16303 |
I have a problematic type
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12-09-2020, 10:30 PM | #16304 |
Showa Girl
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(Not gonna hide this at all; I adore this movie)
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12-09-2020, 11:18 PM | #16305 |
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I distinctly remember, I think maybe last year, a little after I joined the board; Fish posted something about the movie along the lines of "OOO has this wonderful nuance of toeing the line between never completely condoning greed or a lack of it, which Core completely misunderstands", and... wish I could link to it, but that's pretty much it.
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Eiji's character is completely out of whack, running around doing a bunch of different part-time jobs in a way that suggests somebody thought that would be his gimmick in the show, and then giving out all the money he makes to random greedy people who ask for it, displaying an absent-minded, naive kind of attitude that is massively at odds with how his character was portrayed on TV from the very start. This is why I can't believe Kobayashi actually provided any significant amount of help. Presumably, Inoue would've at least had scripts for the first few episodes to get a feel for the series anyway, but with direct advice from its writer, it's especially questionable how you could get something this important this wrong. The overall theme of the plot is likewise about Nobu learning to appreciate how much nicer life can be when you don't desire things, which is the kind of black-and-white take on the subject that OOO built its identity around avoiding at all costs. Again, right from the start. Things like the odd premise, I can forgive, but I had completely forgotten how much worse the story here is than that. It's missing everything that was at the heart of OOO.
I definitely know what you mean about wanting more W in the W and OOO movie, by the way. You'd think doing a movie that's one part W, one part OOO, and one part W+OOO would be simple enough, but Movie War Core misunderstands OOO so badly they couldn't even figure out how the concept of splitting things into thirds works.
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12-09-2020, 11:25 PM | #16306 |
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See, you say you don't think you're good at this, but your version of my words is actually more succinct than the real thing was.
Feels like an eternity ago I posted that. Good times, the Kobayashi-thon. Less good on that particular day, but still! I definitely know what you mean about wanting more W in the W and OOO movie, by the way. You'd think doing a movie that's one part W, one part OOO, and one part W+OOO would be simple enough, but Movie War Core misunderstands OOO so badly they couldn't even figure out how the concept of splitting things into thirds works. It's similar to what I said with Inoue's writing on Kuuga -- he's a very blatant writer; very in-your-face, and that's not a bad thing... it just is not compatible with Kuuga. Or Hibiki. Or OOO. I'm surprised he pulled it off with Ghost!
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12-09-2020, 11:59 PM | #16307 |
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Imagine if the Nobunaga in this Movie War, in Ghost, and in Over Quartzer were all the same person.
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12-10-2020, 12:01 AM | #16308 |
Showa Girl
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And in Gaim's movie war!
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12-10-2020, 04:02 PM | #16309 |
Showa Girl
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Kamen Rider X Kamen Rider Ghost & Drive: Movie Wars Genesis
So. Uh. Don't like this one either. It's not War Core, I can definitely say that! After my rewatch of that movie yesterday I think I can certainly say it's my least favourite Rider crossover movie, and perhaps Rider movie just as a whole. And I'm counting the SHTs there. So Genesis is definitely not on that level! ... I just didn't get anything out of it. Crossovers with series I don't like like Gaim or Drive are off to a bad start in the first place with me, but thankfully one thing I can give this movie is that it's all the things I liked about Drive (wonderful character dynamics, funny character dynamics) without all the flaws; and some of the best scenes in the movie are that cast's interactions with Ghost's, a cast that this rewatch has made me grow a newfound fondness for. There's some ~interesting~ choices such as Makoto just being part of the gang and Steinbelt being around 10 years ago with no emotional pathos and all of three lines, but those aside I could really sum up the best traits of this movie as what I feel are those of Drive's -- it's a very funny movie when it wants to be and I love how Shinnosuke reacts to and bonds with Takeru. Takeru has some very lovely scenes in this with this emotional reactions to seeing his father alive again and wanting to keep him around, and Shinnosuke acting as not just his senior Kamen Rider but as his senior human being who's gone through similar things... it's great. It's a perfect teamup when it wants to be; I recall that in a few future crossover materials Takeru will refer to Shinnosuke in terms of respect and as someone he looks up to, and that's exactly what I get here! But what makes this movie fail for me, then? Because I've just given a glowing review of most parts of it. ... young Takeru. Like, here's the thing; the whole emotional core of the movie is formed around this 8 year old version of Takeru growing confident in himself and learning to be a ghost hunter so his life can burn bright -- much like W, Drive and Zero-One's crossover movies this is meant to be a movie that provides the series' backstory and a look at what came before with some emotional pathos (and this time time travel) thrown in. The problem for me is that this is exactly what Takeru's arc is in the modern day. It's precisely what I've been loving him for on this rewatch -- his lack of confidence portrayed wonderfully through his acting; his growing to respect himself with friends by his side gently nudging him; eventually living up to the legacy his father left behind. I just don't get anything out of learning that 8 year old takeru already went through that same development - and in VERY bad taste as well when it comes across less as personal growth and more as adults around him guilt tripping a child and thrusting a sword in his hands. I think it would instead have been a better choice to focus on contrasting modern Takeru with past Takeru; showing just how much he's grown and having his father recognise that and be proud of him. But there's no such link, and his father at the end saying "it was me who brought you here and you're great" rings hollow as a result. Chase is back though! God I love Chase. They really made me cry at him dying AGAIN, huh; bastards these guys are. God I love a good third rider with an emotional journey of learning the best of humanity and arguably becoming the best of them. Hey, who's that...?
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12-10-2020, 04:29 PM | #16310 |
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I overall think Genesis is pretty decent. The best part is the Takeru and Shinnosuke just hanging out in the past. Honestly I'm glad that the Movie Wars ditched the whole 3 Act formula. It was also cool to see Tenkuji Ryu in his prime. (In similar vein seing Soreo in Reiwa The First Generation.)
Honestly the main problem with the movie was how weird the movie is with continuity things like Mr.Belt in the past and Ryu death being completely different from the show. Looking at the writing credits this movie was written by Makoto Hayashi who not only didn't work on either Drive or Ghost but this his first and currently only Tokusatsu work he's done. In fact the Ghost Novel has even retcon this movie to be an alternate timeline like Ryuki Episode Final or Faiz Paradise Lost. It's just really weird to give a complete newcomer with no experience with anything toku related a crossover movie which also permenatly ditches the Movie War Formula.
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