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03-04-2021, 12:16 PM | #271 |
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Do not get the Kamen Rider fascination with valorizing emotionally-destructive dads.
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03-04-2021, 12:43 PM | #272 |
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Yeah, the best I can say is that the dad only wanted his daughter back. All the destruction it involved was on the Imagin. His contract was to bring my daughter home away from her career. The Imagin grossly misinterpreted that so he could cause destruction.
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03-04-2021, 12:49 PM | #273 |
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Like, when I'm complaining about how horrible this dad is and how much of a villainous plot is set in motion by his nearly-criminal emotional negligence, I'm not even talking about the part where he accidentally deploys an imagination monster from the end of time.
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03-04-2021, 03:32 PM | #274 |
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Is Kasumi’s dad the worst dad in the franchise, though? I mean, it’s hard to say that anyone who purposely or accidentally causes a global catastrophe (Hipster Dad from Build, for example) doesn’t have the slight edge over a diner owner who is needlessly martyring himself, but… this whole plot is so massively unnecessary! Kasumi’s dad is intent on irrevocably tearing his family apart for very poor reasons! It’s all incredibly stupid! Like, the conflict in this is so forced that any emotional stakes or corresponding catharsis are more insulting than anything else. There’s a germ of an idea about how to motivate someone without losing them, but Disowning Your Child Because You Love Her And Want Her To Succeed… it’s way overshooting the mark of being supportive? I don’t know that an 11-year old girl needs that kind of tough love? I'm pretty sure she could model (it’s not like she’s curing cancer!) and also be in her dad’s life? He’s not on a fishing boat somewhere out in the Pacific; I’m pretty sure they live in Tokyo? She can still go to castings? It’s just going to be question marks until the end of this paragraph because I feel like no one involved in the production of this episode asked a single question they should’ve? About how ridiculous the motivation of Kasumi’s dad is? Quote:
The rest of it was fine, though. Entertaining, but unfortunately tethered to a stupid, stupid plot. (How does the dad keep getting on these closed sets for a preteen model? Where is security? If he’s just like I’m Her Dad, why doesn’t she know he’s the one leaving flowers? Why any of this?) The Kintaros stuff mirrors the dad’s I Don’t Know My Emotional Strength thing, where they’re both well-meaning but accidentally destructive, but I just cared so little about Kasumi and her dad getting back together (he’s the worst!) that I cringed every time Kintaros beat himself up about them being seperated. It’s very nice that Kintaros wants to repair a daddy/daughter relationship, I just don’t want him to repair this one.
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-I echo Momo’s despair over there being no Sword Form this episode. I get that it’s a Kin spotlight, but, man! Sword Form is the best form so far! Sucks to miss out on it! -Despite his heroism being focused on the least-deserving parent imaginable (and I’m counting Kamen Rider Deadbeat Dad from Ex-Aid: True Ending!), it was adorable to watch Kintaros speed away from a monster fight to chase down Kasumi. It’s the Big Dumb version of Ryotaro trying to give Tetsuo some closure in the premiere story, and it’s just as winning. Just a great story choice, no matter what story it appears in.
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03-04-2021, 03:56 PM | #275 |
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First, Kasumi's dad is horrible in a more banal, pointless way. He's just cruel for stupid plot reasons, something literally any adult would look at and go Wait This Is Too Far. The fact that he psychologically damages his daughter and then spends a year stalking her because he regrets his actions but never tries to reconcile with her... it's all so dumb. At least with Banno, his horribleness has a meatier goal, and he's fully aware of what he's doing. Kasumi's dad (I genuinely don't even want to learn his name, that's how much better than him she is) is just breaking something and then spending a year staring at it and feeling bad. Maybe fix it! Or something! Second, the minor stakes (one ruined relationship) are actually more terrifying than something that can only exist in the world of tokusatsu. It's like the flipside of how the Yuumi/Tomoya story worked because it was about something most people will experience at some point in their lives. This story has a parent/child relationship where everyone can see themselves in at least one role, so the consequences land harder. When the thing that sets that plot into motion is so needless and ridiculous, it feels more terrible than some evil mastermind trying to turn people into robots or whatever.
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03-04-2021, 04:08 PM | #276 |
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I feel like Kasumi's dad is worse, though, for two reasons.
First, Kasumi's dad is horrible in a more banal, pointless way. He's just cruel for stupid plot reasons, something literally any adult would look at and go Wait This Is Too Far. The fact that he psychologically damages his daughter and then spends a year stalking her because he he regrets his actions but never tries to reconcile with her... it's all so dumb. At least with Banno, his horribleness has a meatier goal, and he's fully aware of what he's doing. Kasumi's dad (I genuinely don't even want to learn his name, that's how much better than him she is) is just breaking something and then spending a year staring at it and feeling bad. Maybe fix it! Or something! Second, the minor stakes (one ruined relationship) are actually more terrifying than something that can only exist in the world of tokusatsu. It's like the flipside of how the Yuumi/Tomoya story worked because it was about something most people will experience at some point in their lives. This story has a parent/child relationship where everyone can see themselves in at least one role, so the consequences land harder. When the thing that sets that plot into motion is so needless and ridiculous, it feels more terrible than some evil mastermind trying to turn people into robots or whatever.
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03-04-2021, 04:35 PM | #277 |
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Yeah, looking back, I called the plot to these ones, and I quote:
...and I have to imagine the problems you have with them are the ones I was trying to get at there. It's really reaching for those big emotions in a way that detracts from the story. Like Yonemura knew how Den-O plots start and end, but couldn't ~quite~ figure out how the middle needed to work, resulting in some pretty important details being out of whack.
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03-04-2021, 05:24 PM | #278 |
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It's a thing that comes up more often than I'd like in Kamen Rider, where dads who are emotionally closed-off are shown as quietly noble, heroically detonating the twin monsters of A Child's Autonomy and Healthy Communication. You get these dads who are making sweeping decisions about their child's future, and doing it in cruelly deceptive ways (why doesn't Kasumi's dad just talk to her about her career instead of making her think she's a failure?), and then the end of the story is The Child Needs To Forgive The Parent. Like, this story needed, bare minimum, for there to be a scene where Kasumi's dad tells her he royally screwed up and he hopes she forgives him. Instead, it's 100% on Kasumi to make things right. She never did anything wrong! She's the victim in this story! What?!
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03-04-2021, 05:57 PM | #279 |
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...and I have to imagine the problems you have with them are the ones I was trying to get at there. It's really reaching for those big emotions in a way that detracts from the story. Like Yonemura knew how Den-O plots start and end, but couldn't ~quite~ figure out how the middle needed to work, resulting in some pretty important details being out of whack.
Instead, Yonemura wants to have the dad driving Kasumi away for totally altruistic reasons, and then immediately regretting it, but without ever trying to fix his mistake. It makes Kasumi totally blameless, which makes the dad the entire problem, but then has an ending about how Kasumi has learned an important lesson. Not a fun story to tell! There's always Hibiki, aka Kamen Rider Oops All Dads, which is a show with nothing but fun dads who care about their kids. It's a total trope in Phase 2 Heisei, though, for sure. Glad Reiwa is turning it around!
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03-04-2021, 06:34 PM | #280 |
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Which one is Oops All Dads Again?
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