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06-19-2020, 11:19 AM | #771 |
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Speaking of, Kaixa Day is a few months away.
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06-19-2020, 12:42 PM | #772 |
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With Sawada dead we're basically done with the Ryusei school storyline. Mari has her memories back, Kusaka knows exactly what happened and who was responsible, and those two plus Mihara and Rina are the only survivors left. From here on the show is moving into its final major story arc.
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It's crazy yeah.... Minami IS Truegami?! I thought he's someone significantly older than that. And it's crazy for an actor to play a such contrasting role in different series. Here, he plays Minami, one of the worst person to exist in the show. Basically, Kusaka without being in the protagonist side.
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What's the difference to you between this Yuka spotlight episode compared to episode 15 (which is mixed bag) at the past? But for Kitazaki on the shelf, he's already a recurring member of Lucky Clover so no point for looking for new member (because it's to make it 4, which assumed brings luck on Lucky Clover). In the past probably they just see Yuka as an ordinary Orphnoch, just like every MOTW, but Murakami researched her further to be convinced that she's a good candidate. Also wdym by powerful? About fighting wise, Takuma whooped her's ass with Yuji and Kaido together. With the cops knowing about Orphnochs, I guess that can be chalked up to Minami above.
Yeah, I wasn't suggesting that Yuka'd be taking Kitazaki's place, just that it's probably more important to have that 4th member when Kitazaki isn't reliable. I think a lot of Yuka's limitations, as far as previous losses go, are self-imposed. Kageyama specifically criticizes her in this one for holding back in the fight. Good point about Minami! Quote:
He really does! I don't have anywhere near enough time to go into it (I'm definitely doing this post when I should be working), but the Adel stuff largely worked better for me because redeeming him is the theme of the show, while redeeming ("redeeming") Sawada is something that is at best of reflection of the other characters' struggles, and at worst a distraction from more interesting thematic work. Like, redeeming Adel is what Ghost is about, while the Sawada storyline never felt as integral to me. Quote:
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The dynamic between him and Takumi is so unique as well. It's neither the first nor the last time the Primary and Secondary Riders have been rivals but they seriously don't get along even out of combat and yet they still have some kind of twisted camaraderie between them while being as passive aggressive as possible. Kusaka would never consider another Orphenoch a comrade but he made an exception for Takumi even though he would rather kill him. Takumi respects Kusaka for being generally competent and unhesistant which in turn helped Takumi to become more assertive in his principles. It's intriguing how their perpetual rivalry and mutual dislike can actually be beneficial for development.
I don't know if I think they even grudgingly respect each other? Like, I think they view their actions as Riders as The Mission, and that exists in a strata so far above emotions that things like respect or camaraderie don't even enter the calculus. Fighting together... it's like they're both in the same fight, but they aren't fighting together. I've already started growing out my eyebrows in anticipation!
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06-19-2020, 01:38 PM | #773 |
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Also btw can you respond to my reply about Yuka's behavior (the romance hijinks one) that I don't advocate, or Kusaka's jerkassery?
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I'm so glad to hear that your interest in Kusaka has been restored! I love how committed he is to being an a**hole to Takumi and Kiba that he showed up at the theme park incognito just to casually insult them. It's easy to take for granted how much he contributes to the comedic value of the show when his actions are inconsequential.
The dynamic between him and Takumi is so unique as well. It's neither the first nor the last time the Primary and Secondary Riders have been rivals but they seriously don't get along even out of combat and yet they still have some kind of twisted camaraderie between them while being as passive aggressive as possible. Kusaka would never consider another Orphenoch a comrade but he made an exception for Takumi even though he would rather kill him. Takumi respects Kusaka for being generally competent and unhesistant which in turn helped Takumi to become more assertive in his principles. It's intriguing how their perpetual rivalry and mutual dislike can actually be beneficial for development. The theme park looks like the same one from the first Faiz vs Crocodile and Kaixa vs Crocodile fight scenes. Maybe? Quote:
this is what I meant for the comment I said here about don't promote people being scummy and cruel to others and give them free pass in the name of building chemistry (more excuses for people being terrible then).
From the shipping, I feel that it can convince people that being cruel to others is just them building a tension relationship with you, giving them more free pass to commit vile acts ("he's only teasing you because he likes you" defense to bullies that happened in irl is a softer indication, of that)... bad message! By that, I would never ship arch enemies, like for Ex-Aid, as much as I like Kuroto and that I would like for him to never change his ways (he has no redeeming qualities or any plans to give himself one, but there's a way to lessen his threat in story like mutual goals so he wouldn't antagonize heroes), but god, I would like for the story not to build good relationship between Kuroto and others, I want everyone to keep genuinely hating/disliking him for what he's done, with exactly zero frenemy traits ("only behaving like worst enemy outside but deep down friends" type, like all the insults, threats, and potshots are all of genuine hatred. I also want for people to not have frenemy thoughts, like those who thinks Kuroto turned into new leaf). As much as I like the characters, I'm viscerally opposed against Kiriya/Kuroto pairing, I don't want them to warm up to each other and become bros, ever! And Ex-Aid actually did that so I appreciate (though there are people who thinks about frenemy vibes), like Emu never forgave him even with Kiriya being back. Quote:
I think they sincerely hate each other? I feel Takumi is okay hanging around jerks because he's been a jerk to tons of people (which is to say he doesn't care even a little bit if Kusaka hates him), while Kusaka knows he's going to need more Riders if he wants to bring down Smart Brain.
I don't know if I think they even grudgingly respect each other? Like, I think they view their actions as Riders as The Mission, and that exists in a strata so far above emotions that things like respect or camaraderie don't even enter the calculus. Fighting together... it's like they're both in the same fight, but they aren't fighting together.
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06-19-2020, 02:06 PM | #774 |
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Huh! I hadn't considered that. Yeah, I gotta assume that Keitaro isn't going to be able to get Kusaka to leave. That is not an argument Keitaro's going to win.
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06-19-2020, 02:39 PM | #775 |
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Leave it to Kusaka to prove it's possible to be an even worse roommate than Tezuka.
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06-19-2020, 02:49 PM | #776 |
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One of my favorite touches over the previous arc was whenever there'd be a Team Faiz meal. The lighting would be dim or non-existent, there'd be rain outside, everyone would have their heads down, no dialogue, just a miserable mood... except Kusaka, who'd be clearly having a super normal meal, unconcerned by everyone's suffering. It... it's so perfect.
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06-19-2020, 03:20 PM | #777 |
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I think they sincerely hate each other? I feel Takumi is okay hanging around jerks because he's been a jerk to tons of people (which is to say he doesn't care even a little bit if Kusaka hates him), while Kusaka knows he's going to need more Riders if he wants to bring down Smart Brain.
I don't know if I think they even grudgingly respect each other? Like, I think they view their actions as Riders as The Mission, and that exists in a strata so far above emotions that things like respect or camaraderie don't even enter the calculus. Fighting together... it's like they're both in the same fight, but they aren't fighting together.
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06-19-2020, 04:43 PM | #778 |
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Perhaps camaraderie was too strong a word for their relationship. They definitely hate each other but there's something that works between them that's hard to explain. Kusaka doesn't really "respect" anybody, not even Mari. Everybody is on a spectrum of least to most contempt and Takumi falls somewhere in the middle between Orphenochs and humans. Takumi has to respect Kusaka on some level in order to have felt inferior to him when they first met. They're aligned by their goal to protect humanity, albeit for completely different reasons. Takumi is a hero of justice. Kusaka is on the side of justice, but he's not of justice, definitely not a hero. He wants to spite the Orphenochs and protect Mari. Everybody else is second to him. He's an antihero, the worst of the worst. But when they fight together, however begrudgingly, they're a pretty effective unit. They're professionals, I guess.
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06-19-2020, 05:01 PM | #779 |
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06-19-2020, 05:12 PM | #780 |
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Yeah, I think "professionals" gets to the heart of it, at least for Kusaka. I think his two axes for charting out his relationships are "USEFUL" and "CONTEMPT". Someone like Mari is Least Contempt/Most Useful, for example, while Takumi gets plotted at all different points depending on what episode you're watching. (Right now, I think Takumi slots in at Medium Contempt/High Useful.)
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