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04-27-2022, 11:32 PM | #841 |
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This is a post coming from someone who absolutely despises Kiriya for multiple reasons.
I actually liked these two episodes for the most part. Because finally, Kiriya has to face consequences for his awful behavior. Finally, he's called out on it and the people doing it aren't immediately written out of the show. Finally, he has to actually humble himself and learn a lesson. Finally, he actually has an arc. Did it 100% redeem him and make him likable? No, but it was literally all I was asking for when it came to Kiriya in the Inoue part of Hibiki proper. I can easily see how some would put these episodes under "too little too late" but for me, it did just enough to work, helped by all the wonderful carry-overs from the first part of Hibiki surrounding it. Todoroki acting more like his part 1 self but with a bit of Zanki thrown in was a great touch, for example. There's also of course the Woz subplot which is all around wonderful. Full of great character humor for sure, but also really touching in how it's pulled off and resolves, which is a great move to pull as something for those who aren't buying into the Kiriya plot to latch onto. Although I guess if they don't like Woz then they're out of luck. And hey, further reinforcement of HeiGen Forever with the Kuuga Ridewatch! Even if it did practically nothing just like in that movie! In the end, this felt like a much better Hibiki tribute than the Decade two-parter did, which to me just felt all around like a hollow, half-hearted apology rather than a good story in its own right. I actually had a hard time deciding on who my favorite character in Hibiki was, because I love almost all the characters in the first part, but in the end, I think I'll go with... Hibiki was a rather unique beast in the franchise for alot of reasons, and the decision to go with a main character who wasn't a Kamen Rider was one of them. Even more than that, a kid's show detailing the effects child abandonment, depression, and anxiety have on children, and how community can help in coping with those issues, was really huge to me. Speaking personally, it was something I never really saw in children's media up to that point, and combining that with Asumu's' lovable personality and very human portrayal endeared me to him really fast. Heck, how human the entire cast felt was very much something that I dug alot about the first part of Hibiki, which is part of what made the Inoue portion sting so hard; Seeing everyone, Asumu included, reduced to a flanderized, cartoon version of themselves. Still, the first part of Hibiki is a show I'll always love, and it was cool to see how Zi-O managed to give it what felt like some proper tribute, despite the centerpiece being a character from the second part.
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04-28-2022, 02:14 AM | #842 |
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This was one tribute where I felt not having the original actor actually made it better. Having it being about the next generation figuring out the whole mentor thing seems very much in theme.
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04-28-2022, 02:52 AM | #843 |
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I mean, you’ve basically said all I can say regarding the episode. So we’ll just move onto the regular features.
Ridewatch Playlist: Stop at 2:54 Mix “Power of the demon, power of sound, the Rider fighting with a drum is… Hibiki” Ongeki = from Hibiki’s “Ongekida” attacks. And for this, I went with Hibiki Kenzan (which, in retrospect, I should’ve used for the next one, based on these visuals) “The intensely trained demon’s power, the Ongeki’s red armour, Armed Hibiki” Kishin Kakusei = from Armed Hibiki’s “Ongekiha: Kishin Kakusei” (Sound Attack Blade: Fierce Demon Arousal”) And for added parallels, I went with a song that probably would’ve fit Hibiki regular better. Hajimari no Kimi e “Fighting with a trumpet, the blue demon Rider is Ibuki” And for him, I went with that song I shared back in the Hibiki watch thread, Fuuga Yuudan And, here’s the list of the unreleased (no-one won the competition this time) Kamen Rider Hibiki Kurenai Kamen Rider Todoroki Kamen Rider Zanki Kamen Rider Shuki Kamen Rider Kabuki Kamen Rider Tohki Kamen Rider Kirameki Kamen Rider Nishiki Kamen Rider Habataki Kamen Rider Danki Kamen Rider Sabaki Kamen Rider Eiki Kamen Rider Shouki Kamen Rider Gouki Kamen Rider Touki Kamen Rider Banki And as for the compare and contrast, Tsutomu contrasts with Hibiki and Asumu. Hibiki is a man constantly pushing himself to be better, and Asumu is a humble kid who gave up on being an Oni because it wasn’t what HE wanted. Tsutomu on the other hand, became a lazy bum who gave up being an Oni because he didn’t get the guy he wanted to teach him to teach him. And as for the monster elements, Todoroki mistook him for a Makamou (clearly he either didn’t notice the “Hibiki” written down his chest, or he can’t read the Latin alphabet) last episode. Next time: For this, we get the original main writer for the OG series back. |
04-28-2022, 04:48 AM | #844 |
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04-28-2022, 07:26 AM | #845 |
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This is not the way I would have chosen to do a Hibiki tribute, but with at said, I do like how it turned out in the end. This is probably the best Kiriya story we?ve ever gotten, which is absolutely a low bar to clear. I?d have much rather had Asumu come back, but this still worked better that it should have.
There?s one small moment near the end that I love, though, and would probably say is the best tribute in all of Zi-O. One of Todoroki?s last lines is him saying that he may find his own apprentice now and that he?ll run the idea by Hinaka. Hinaka?s actress, Miyuki Kanye, died in 2008 of heart failure. I found it so sweet of Zi-O to acknowledge her and I love the implication that she still?s still alive in the world of Kamen Rider. |
04-28-2022, 07:50 AM | #846 |
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There?s one small moment near the end that I love, though, and would probably say is the best tribute in all of Zi-O. One of Todoroki?s last lines is him saying that he may find his own apprentice now and that he?ll run the idea by Hinaka. Hinaka?s actress, Miyuki Kanye, died in 2008 of heart failure. I found it so sweet of Zi-O to acknowledge her and I love the implication that she still?s still alive in the world of Kamen Rider.
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04-28-2022, 09:04 AM | #847 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 34 - ?2019 - THE HEISEI ONI AND THE REIWA ONI?
I loved this episode. I loved how it didn?t redeem Kiriya, so much as it tried to provide a larger context for why he?s still an insufferable prick after all these years, despite becoming a mentor and a hero. Because it?s? those things don?t negate each other, or act in conflict, you know? Being a parent is as complicated and terrifying as growing up, just from the opposite side. Kiriya never really figured his shit out, because Figuring Your Shit Out isn?t a prerequisite for being a parent. He screwed things up by trying to be Hibiki, when all Tsutomu ever wanted was Kiriya. He didn?t want Kiriya?s mentor, because he didn?t know that guy. He wanted his mentor to be proud of him, and that?s all that mattered. Quote:
There's also of course the Woz subplot which is all around wonderful. Full of great character humor for sure, but also really touching in how it's pulled off and resolves, which is a great move to pull as something for those who aren't buying into the Kiriya plot to latch onto. Although I guess if they don't like Woz then they're out of luck.
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This is not the way I would have chosen to do a Hibiki tribute, but with at said, I do like how it turned out in the end. This is probably the best Kiriya story we?ve ever gotten, which is absolutely a low bar to clear. I?d have much rather had Asumu come back, but this still worked better that it should have.
There?s one small moment near the end that I love, though, and would probably say is the best tribute in all of Zi-O. One of Todoroki?s last lines is him saying that he may find his own apprentice now and that he?ll run the idea by Hinaka. Hinaka?s actress, Miyuki Kanye, died in 2008 of heart failure. I found it so sweet of Zi-O to acknowledge her and I love the implication that she still?s still alive in the world of Kamen Rider. Regarding Hinaka, I think it's a nice consolation when an actor is survived by their character, as a way for their legacy to continue, both in universe and in meta. Like Riderman and Stronger, who are still fighting for justice in crossovers, their actors bringing hope to people even from beyond the grave. And it's reassuring that Todoroki still has that important person in his life who supports him.
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04-28-2022, 10:02 AM | #848 |
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Overall though it's really nice and while I had no real attachment to Hibiki as a series, I thought it was a rather nice tribute. Also I liked the birthday party with Sougo at the end. If only because there's something about how it so neatly and blatantly tells you about the passage of time alongside other events. Just mentions of Christmas, New Years, Sougo's graduation, etc. Time is passing and we're feeling it pass.
I'm glad to hear it! I think this two-parter is going to be a series highlight for me, just like the Hibiki two-parter on Decade. Quote:
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This is not the way I would have chosen to do a Hibiki tribute, but with at said, I do like how it turned out in the end. This is probably the best Kiriya story we?ve ever gotten, which is absolutely a low bar to clear. I?d have much rather had Asumu come back, but this still worked better that it should have.
There?s one small moment near the end that I love, though, and would probably say is the best tribute in all of Zi-O. One of Todoroki?s last lines is him saying that he may find his own apprentice now and that he?ll run the idea by Hinaka. Hinaka?s actress, Miyuki Kanye, died in 2008 of heart failure. I found it so sweet of Zi-O to acknowledge her and I love the implication that she still?s still alive in the world of Kamen Rider. I think it's the actor who always manages to get me on Kiriya or Yuuto's side. As written, the characters are irritating as hell. But there's a thing the actor does, especially in this Kiriya two-parter, that completely wins me over. It's this flash, where Kiriya's visibly like I Don't Know Why I'm Like This. This sliver of regret and self-loathing that doesn't quite surface, but tinges the performance. It's the merest amount of self-awareness, where Kiriya can hear how off-putting and combative he is, but he can't stop those things from being his response. He doesn't... like, he doesn't want to be the guy who sucks, but he can't figure out how to be anything else. I think that's a fascinating character to explore. Quote:
It's like what Hibiki said, how everybody's got their own rhythm. Kiriya can never be a better Hibiki than Hibiki, or a better version of his father, but he can always strive to be his best self, which Tsutomu needs him to be. It's the same thing Shounen learned, that being an Oni is only one way to become an independent person. Part of being independent isn't just mimicking the lifestyle of someone you admire, but using your own judgement as well.
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04-28-2022, 04:02 PM | #849 |
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 34 - ?2019 - THE HEISEI ONI AND THE REIWA ONI?
Kiriya was a kid who lost his dad, and felt a hollowness because of that. He measured himself up against a heroic ghost, something in which he?d always feel diminished by comparison. Every academic or athletic success was a cry for approval he could never get. His abrasive personality ? just, like, his whole personality ? was a kid who wanted to be told he was good enough, and to feel like someone cared about him, but didn?t know how to be vulnerable enough to ask for those things. He eventually trained under Hibiki, and that probably didn?t help him too much, psychologically. He just ended up replacing a dead hero of a dad with a living hero of a father-figure. Hibiki probably cared for him as a mentor, but couldn?t fill the emotional void that motivated Kiriya. Kiriya? he?s a collection of all of his traumas and triumphs, just like anyone. Quote:
Just like your parents, probably.
It?s a smart story to do in a kids' show, eventually. To demystify parenthood. Shows like this usually deify parenthood, show parents as unfailing beacons of positivity and support ? that, or demonize them as cold-hearted villains for their lack of warmth and attention. They show parents like Kiriya saw them: idols to worship and fear. But parents, like children, don?t arrive fully-formed. They?re like Kiriya, with his apprentice. They have kids by accident, or with hope for the future, or to fill a void in themselves, or to prove something to the world, or or or. They bring their own baggage to the table, and screw up without even noticing. They think of how their parents did things, and try to calibrate off of that. They struggle, constantly, to turn a child into an adult. Quote:
I loved this episode. I loved how it didn?t redeem Kiriya, so much as it tried to provide a larger context for why he?s still an insufferable prick after all these years, despite becoming a mentor and a hero. Because it?s? those things don?t negate each other, or act in conflict, you know? Being a parent is as complicated and terrifying as growing up, just from the opposite side. Kiriya never really figured his shit out, because Figuring Your Shit Out isn?t a prerequisite for being a parent. He screwed things up by trying to be Hibiki, when all Tsutomu ever wanted was Kiriya. He didn?t want Kiriya?s mentor, because he didn?t know that guy. He wanted his mentor to be proud of him, and that?s all that mattered.
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Even the Woz/Sougo story is looped into the idea of how best to care for someone, as comedic as the plot was. The lesson there is the same lesson that Kiriya learns: just, show up. That?s Step 1 of being a parent, and probably the most important one. It doesn?t mean that everything?s going to work out, or that you?ll get an infinite number of chances to figure things out. But it raises the floor from the worst outcomes, creating space to recover from mistakes. Kiriya?s triumph in saving Tsutomu is all in the simple fact that he wouldn?t abandon Tsutomu, that he said Hey Man, I?m Here For You. That?s the most important thing we get from guidance, really. Being seen, listened to. It?s the most valuable skill a mentor can have.
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That goes for us viewers as well. Kiriya's means are misguided here, but it's clear that he definitely cares about his disciple Tsutomu and wishes for his success, which is a side of him we haven't really seen before. Hibiki has rubbed off on him and that's a victory for the show.
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04-28-2022, 05:06 PM | #850 |
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Oof, finals sure has been eating up my time, I haven't been able to rewatch the Hibiki arc until right now. I don't think I even processed much of these two episodes on the inital watch because I was still riding the high of the Agito arc?
Anyway it didn't begin with a musicial number and Sabaki didn't show up to get his ass kicked, 0/10 tribute. But seriously, while not the kind of tribute I personally wanted, it sure is a nice little epilogue for Kiriya. Todoroki showing up all wisened up and cool, but displaying those flashes of awkwardness was also a plus for me. Anyway I'm so glad I managed to get the school stuff done right before the thread starts EP 35, I've think I've been anticipating this arc since the thread started? |
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